I really do feel like I’m taking crazy pills with libs this election. The last two they at least had a bloodless rationale to the “lesser of two evils” rhetoric.
But this is genocide, the canonical Worst Thing You Can DO! I know many just believe that it’s not a genocide at all because Palestinian civilians are all Hamas and just subhuman or that the videos published by official IOF channels are all deepfaked by the hungry ghost of Nasrallah. But then just FUCKING SAY IT and then we can call you a genocide denier and we’ll know where we stand!
What I can’t get is that many do seem to agree it’s a genocide and Kamala is complicit. But then they lesser evil by going “Well if we don’t vote then Trump will do bad things to trans people here.”
Like Fuck You! You scheming, gaslighting bloody handed monster!
Either this is just a disingenuous argument to get your team in power or to maintain liberal civility politics, in which case double Fuck You that you think people are abstract political tools.
Or, you actually believe this, and the freedom of an LGBT person here outweighs the lives of 2 million people, many LGBT, who happen to have had the extreme misfortune to be born 5 cm over the border and thus outside your ability to feel empathy.
In which case Triple Fuck You, because you are, somehow, more of a fascist than Trump. At least Trump is too incoherent to make a complete argument for fascist policy!
I’m going mad, I really am. How can people be streamed genocide live on CNN and just say “well, I guess we’re ok with genocide now!” Is the US public even human?! Even the fucking Germans had the good sense to pretend to look guilty after they lost.
Seriously, it turns out all it took to get regular people to support hitler was to just get a 2nd hitler.
It short circuits them
if(candidateA==Hitler) Vote(candidateB);“Look at that, just two lines of code! What could go wrong?”
The John Jackson/Jack Johnson Futurama bit, but it’s Heinrich Himmler and Hinrich Heimmler
except it’s real and one of them has to win
Stalin is still bad though!
The part where it breaks down for me is that that they talk about all the hypothetical stuff the DNC will do but it is all just fantasy. It is always stuff the DNC has never done or given any indication they will do. When you ask them about it they always just switch to talking about the bad stuff the gop will do that the DNC will not stop at all.
Ok, so why aren’t you doing that now? You’ve been in power for 4 years, why haven’t you started to do that already or actually done it? Or if whatever cause truly matters to you, why aren’t you now working on preventing the Republicans from doing the bad thing if they get into power? Like you should have done enshrining roe vs wade which you didn’t do. Why are you doing nothing just to dangle the threat of the republicans over us?
They were in power for about a year and a half. Since then they’ve had a 50-50 Senate and Republican house. Can’t pass sweeping legislation when Congress is like that.
Wild how they’ve managed to make sweeping legislation regarding giving more money to cops, the military, Israel, Ukraine and the like. Funny how that seems to work. Funny how they’ve been able to massively expand fracking, probably just a little coincidence. A coincidence that’s probably the same as the one with them massively increasing deportations.
Their hands are tied though! They just cannot do anything to help! They really want to though, but there’s just nothing to do! Oh well, better put massive tarrifs on cheap EVs and solar cells from China.So the democrats have shown themselves to be completely ineffective at passing legislation? So we shouldn’t vote for a party that has shown themselves to be incapable of getting anything done.
Oh you mean the US political system is designed to gridlock everything and prevent anything from being done? Well first of all, how are they so easily able to pass legislation to sell weapons and deploy troops? And if it is true that everything is designed this way, surely that means we shouldn’t give a fuck at all about voting and we need to be doing everything possible to change our political system, right?
There’s other means to play hardball and get the votes you want, but it requires wielding power. I haven’t seen Biden threatening base closures, having the dept. of labor aggressively prosecute prominent, rich opposition figures, hold up highway funding, start adding supreme court judges, or do anything really.
He definitely made sure to dredge up student loans from 20 years ago that schools have already discharged as bad debt and sent them over to collection agencies masquerading as the Dept of Education. WITH 20 years of interest.
Of course now they’re threatening to release non payment info to credit agencies. Which they had explicitly said they would not do.
It’s straight up extortion. The original loans were written off literally decades ago.
Is anyone else utterly mystified by the Vote Blue rhetoric this election?
Not me. I already know liberals are stupid
Nobody is really dealing with the fact that rhetoric and demographics != policy and action.
Republicans are pretty unpalatable unless you’re a hog hooting for immigrant and queer death, and people are just kind of assuming that, of course, the other team won’t do anything bad, and will do the good things, because they have the correct demographic support, and the rhetoric at times gestures vaguely to something nicer and less fascist, or at least tries to let a voter infer whatever they need to in order to deliver support, right?
People are pretty rightly scared, they should be, and they literally have no tools for understanding a world where a vote isn’t a solution. Because Americans have limited understanding of non-electoral organizing, limited time because of work and survival, and I think we’re reaching this point where solutions are so ugly, and so outside of anything anybody in living memory understands, that it might as well be like showing a Westworld host a picture of the outside world - It’s just not going to seem like anything. There’s an ontological break where voting has to work.
This is what’s happening on the ground.
On the organizing level, the ghouls are just playing to the emotions, anxieties, and fears of their constituent demographics. Republicans are integrating with their extremists, and democrats are suppressing theirs. This creates a balance that will inevitably empower the far right, and the democrats are fine with this because their bosses are the same people.
The rhetoric is insane because the moment is insane.
Not only are Americans stuck on thinking voting has to work, many of them can’t understand voting third party or choosing not to vote. This is a discussion I’ve had with people I know IRL: it’s not that they’re angry I’m “throwing my vote away”, they literally can’t understand someone not voting D or R (at least someone who’s politically engaged like they know I am).
I’m definitely going insane.
Was officially diagnosed with Autism recently. I wonder if Autistic traits are common among the left? Like do I feel this way because my brain is literally wired differently than other people? Are neurotypical people more able to brush off mass death and all of the discrimination that leads to it?
Leftists (in the west at least) from my experience are overrepresented with neurodivergent folk, queer people, poc, and disabled people. Probably because of two things. Those demographics are less likely to resonate with the promises and dreams of western liberal society. Like the whole house in the suburbs with a spouse and 2.5 kids and office job. That whole dream sounds either impossible or unappealing, so it leads people like us away from buying into the liberal framework.
The other thing is those demographics are often more impoverished. Which leads back around to not buying into the liberal capitalist dream.
CW internalized ND brainworms
I have had a difficult time coming to grips with my recent ADHD and the exhausting path I’m still on tryina find out what skittle flavor i am in my end of the autism rainbow. Been feeling bad, like i am broken, wrong, in my genes.
But then i see the kinda things, things like this, the absolute lack of empathy that supposedly NT people are capable of and am proud of my capacity to feel real pain in my heart for people i will never meet. It is automatic, immutable. It drives me, it’s one of the few things i just know
And then i don’t wish to be “normal” anymore.
They call it “black and white thinking” and a “heightened sense of justice” and it’s like my god they consider having basic moral convictions to be a symptom of illness!
Nah, this is facts. I have days all the goddamn time these days where I could rip out my emotional core, some self-kali-maaaa type shit because I’m sick of waking up furious that I still live in a system of genocidal white supremacy. I’m sick of waking up furious that I don’t have enough savings to pay the exit tax to renounce because cost-of-living just keeps going up and it’s eaten through my nest egg. I’m sick of waking up furious knowing that someone else infinitely more disadvantaged than me died screaming because cracker warhawks and their tapdancing minstrels decided they just HAD to give another billion dollars worth of materiel and ordnance to an illegitimate settler colony that everyone just acts like has the right to exist because of the scribblings of a bunch of ancient theologians who can’t even prove the evidence of their divinity.
Like, if all it takes is a book, the Black nation could settle everything from Compton to Portland as our own, send all the crackers back to the eastern seaboard, and bombard anyone who disagrees with it, right? Right? What’s stopping us, if that’s all it takes?
I’m sick of waking up feeling like this-- and then I remember that there’s really some yankee peckerwood sitting back in his computer chair with the smuggest look on his face, right now, and he feels fucking nothing. He is a homunculus, a ghoul, a wretch beyond even the most wretched of the earth still chained by the Great Satan.
And it settles in my gut: I want to be nothing like that fucking homunculus that would dare to consider himself and I as part of the same demonym.
I really am not looking forward to the change that comes on the back of this level of anger, frustration, and alienation, but while I can’t fully relate to you, I’m with you in the spirit of, “there’s basically nothing of this society that shouldn’t be torn down and annihilated”
Whatever is coming will be really fucking ugly and deserved, I won’t raise a hand to stop it even if i’m outside of it, unless it’s on the backs of a bunch of white fascists, then i’ll die fighting it I guess.
I’m sick of being desperate. I’m sick of watching loved and desperate people fall down to be crushed underfoot. Meanwhile I’ve got the dumbest people in the world telling me a ballot will fix this.
Right?!? I don’t get it! Why care so much about what side of an imaginary line (border) someone lives on? Why do we have to divide ourselves into so many different groups?
We’re all humans here but most humans don’t see it that way. And I’m the outcast who’s politically homeless
Yeah, agreed. In the reality they subjectively live in there are literally no possible alternatives to voting. They cannot imagine anything else. Like they all hate capitalism now but Stalin bad so they just sort of gripe about it but can’t imagine any alternative.
on all democrat supportersAmerikkka needs a JDPON
What’s JDPON? Searching brings up Maoism Third Worldism which I’m familiar with but I can’t figure out what the actual acronym here is.
Joint Dictatorship of the Proletariat of Oppressed Nations
Basically the idea is that the US should not have its own government, it should be ruled over by a “joint dictatorship of the proletariat of the oppressed nations”
Idk, I’m not shocked by it at all. It’s Western chauvinism, plain and simple. Plenty of women, POC, queer, and trans people are getting on board because they’re still part of the imperial west. To recognize that American elections are political theater would require them to completely disregard everything they’ve been raised to believe. And Trump is very flagrant about undermining the traditional election pageantry, especially after January 6th. They are bought into the system and the system now requires blood sacrifice, so they’ll stomach the bloodletting to appease angry gods in hopes for a blessing.
Can only imagine this is basically the average SPD voter in Nazi Germany. Oh, well, we lost, I guess this is just how things are, it’s not so bad for us at least!
“I voted blue, I am absolved of all guilt and can continue consuming corporate screen content for 16 hours a day.”
Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.
I’m going mad, I really am. How can people be streamed genocide live on CNN and just say “well, I guess we’re ok with genocide now!”
I have seen plenty of Americans (the more right-leaning ones, admittedly) who will say it’s a genocide but that if Gazans didn’t want to be genocided then they shouldn’t have attacked Israel on Oct 7.
Is the US public even human?!
No, not really. This is what 20+ years of dehumanization of Arab and Muslim people will do to your brain. But also, Americans really struggle with being able to accept reality outside of the geographical United States. They are so ill-informed and incurious about what happens around the world I genuinely do not trust any polls regarding things like the genocide in Gaza. When 90% of Americans don’t even know basic, objective facts about the situation what do their opinions actually mean?
This extreme ignorance does not, of course, prevent Americans from expressing their opinions about foreign matters and believing their own opinions to be inviolably correct.
No, not really. This is what 20+ years of dehumanization of Arab and Muslim people will do to your brain
It’s not just that tbh. There is something rotten to the core of the collective unconscious of a settler colony raised up thanks to its own foundational genocide; constructed by uncounted numbers of thinking, feeling, enslaved human beings; that has spent the last century going around the globe to round up every last person in the third world it can find and force them into the meatgrinder of global capitalism.
What could one little genocide mean to a people that have never reckoned or atoned for the fact that their own empire is built upon mountains of bones and oceans of blood?
if Gazans didn’t want to be genocided then they shouldn’t have attacked Israel on Oct 7.
I hear a lot of “But what did they expect?” from liberals. People really have learned nothing in the last 23 years.
Say the same about about 9/11 and they’ll lose their shit
Apologies to derail, but I will forever love how Americans reaped one 9/11 and killed 6 million civilians as revenge while Americans do a 9/11 worth of motor vehicle fatalities and injuries to themselves every single week and nobody gives a shit.
And then the cute liberals call them “accidents” when the vast vast vast majority of collisions are completely preventable.
There are still a 9/11’s worth of deaths every month due to COVID, but apparently that’s the cost of freedom.
To even suggest that my chickens could come home to roost is treasonous!
They’re making the choice to sacrifice Palestinians for their own comfort. By refusing to go along with that, we force them to confront the fact that it is a choice, that they’re willingly making themselves complicit in genocide for their own gain. That’s why they hate us.
I’m paraphrasing a comment I saw elsewhere, but every time the Vote Blue type evokes some fake moral superiority that leftists have (e.g., “You think you’re more moral, but XYZ”), they are just telling on themself that they know they are morally wrong. They know their vote is not a moral act - they might even know they’re supporting something that contradicts their moral code - and they hate that we see that.
I’ve seen some bluesky twits pull out “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good” and it’s just like
directly to the cuck pit lib.Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the bad!
The thing I don’t see people saying enough is that there will be elections after Trump, and a vote for third parties that allows Trump to win is much less damaging in the long term than a vote that enables the rightward slide of the Democrats.
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The biggest argument against this is that they think there won’t be elections after Trump.
The biggest problem is their mushy baby brains
God I wish
Which is exactly what they said last time. And then he gir elected. And then there were elections 4 years later and he got voted out.
And then actually successful election thieves endorsed Harris
Which is funny considering the amount of tampering the democrats have done with their own primaries. “We’ll save democracy!” they say as they do everything they can to fuck over the candidate with popular support
I am seeing an awful lot of that. The actual impracticality of the mechanics of installing a forever dictator with germanic cosplay features in the us and the greater likelihood of tacit approval of non state actors enforcing small scale actions in a local context are lost on them because their minds are warped by cartoons and comic book movies and great man theory.
Best response (if you have the energy) is to ask why they’re admitting that they’d throw away their principles and just accept fascism forever because of an election (even though you know why and they basically already do). Ask why they’re admitting they’d do nothing materially to fight back against fascism or protect the marginalized people they say they care so much about and let a demographic minority, especially in bluer areas, just go ham on everyone. It’s not likely to change many minds but it will remind them that they’re cowards with no real principles or goals besides protecting their status quo.
Excellent. Thanks
Since they’re all dogs of the American Civil Religion calmly accepting magaFascism because Trump was legally elected and the SCOTUS rubber stamped it is in accordance with their principles.
ya i guess you could call it their one actual principle, same song different note
Libs say there will be less genocide from a candidate that doesn’t even believe there is a genocide going on
Do they not realize that genocide denial is literally one of the finishing steps of genocide?
Why do they think chanbrains rank and file say “we didn’t do any Holocaust”? Even chuds are pushing a narrative of transatlantic slave trade denial and are testing the waters with “it wasn’t so bad”
Even chuds are pushing a narrative of transatlantic slave trade denial and are testing the waters with “it wasn’t so bad”
Hell, fuck “it wasn’t so bad”; some of these crackers really fixed their faces to say “we should let the states do it again” like the federal prison system isn’t a distributed slave pen
I really doubt they do. Like after a decade of people throwing around those 10 steps of genocide posters i doubt most of them are thinking in those terms.
Leftists
reactionaries“Liberals are complete hypocrites about everything!”
Right? They always try to gotcha magaFash for hypocrisy like magaFash give a shit about consistency or ideals!
No. Most people pay attention to politics for (maybe) 3 months every four years, then pick their favorite flavor candidate.
Ever met a “centrist” who deliberately votes for one party’s downticket but another party’s presidential candidate for “balance?” Many such cases.
It’s called Amerikkka brain.
Druids of
concrete andbombs (i forgot US don’t do much building nowadays)
Humanity is a cancer. People don’t care. Kinda hope the next COVID kills us all and we can start over.
Death to America
Death to America and death to Israel
Yeah we don’t do “humans are the real virus” misanthropy/ecofascism on Hexbear. People are capable of good. It took Capitalism building this truly horrific machine of evil to break humans in to this horrific shape.
I should be more specific. Americans are a cancer on this planet. They don’t learn, they don’t WANT to learn, and I’ve lived around them for enough to know they take glee in hurting other people.
I was in the room when the non-discrimination ordinance FAILED and these assholes CHEERED as if they won a championship. These people hate me for simply being born the way I am.
You can call me misanthropic, and that’s probably true. Capitalism made me this way. The modern Democratic Party made me this way. My life experiences with other people make me come to this conclusion. You can call me wrong all you want but you can’t take away my authentic self. If I have to get banned from here so be it. It’s just another website.
I used to care DEEPLY about people. It’s taken a long time for me to get to this point, and I’m sorry I gave up but I am out of hope. No spoons left. I’m so tired.
I can tell you about the years it took to get here: from being young and naive volunteering for Obama to being a local Dem to working on campaigns, getting into the local Green Party, that going nowhere, trying to build a campaign tool, went nowhere, trying to improve public transit near me, no one even taking the flyer to do the survey to help advocate for them with the city, I was the wrong race for that. Trying and reading and failing and moving more and more left as I gained more understanding but also more and more depressed as I saw how worthless everything I did was. We did brake light clinics that no one came to. We grew a community garden that only we ate out of. I’m feeling useless.
And the only job I can keep right now is a campaign job for a fucking Fascist. My soul has a price because I need food to keep the rest of me alive.
I will tell you this: I need a place to vent and let loose. If I don’t get it I’m, afraid I will bottle it up and it will explode in a way that gets me jailed or killed. I know it’s hard to care because to you I’m just another name on a website. I assure you there’s a real human on the other side that is struggling to keep it together.
I know I’m not the perfect Leftist. I’m far from it. I promise I’m learning but I’m not going to be the perfect little revolutionary like the Maoists or the Russians in 1917 or whatever. I’m a broken human. I know that.
Just remember you can’t build a revolution by expecting everyone to “have the correct line” all the time or whatever. That’s how you get a reading group of 5 people in a city of 5 million and you wonder why your org can’t grow. Perfection is the enemy of progress. Take me as I am or leave me. There’s many more like me, especially in America where we’ve been broken and ground into the dirt.
It’s also very funny (not actually) because what is Harris going to do for LGBTQ people? Not that her or any Democrat’s symbolic rhetoric mean anything but have the words “transgender” even come out of her mouth this campaign?
nah they cut all of the actually good empty promises from the platform this year and replaced them with tough border measures and warmongering so that 17 republicans in suburban georgia would think about voting for Harris before deciding to go with trump
the same thing biden did with the respective for marriage act: nothing but political capital for themselves.
Zero states had banned gender affirming care when Trump was president. Under Biden, more than 20 have. He has done absolutely nothing for the people in those states.
Not to mention, Biden presided over the overturning of Roe v Wade and did absolutely nothing about it. The only thing Harris said she’d do about it is “sign a law if congress passes one” oh boy!
I’m surprised Harris didn’t run on “we let you ban gender-affirming care! See, us dems aren’t so scary after all and totally in-touch with the working class and their priorities!”
Same with abortion access: Harris isn’t going to bring back Roe. It’s gone for good
Wdym? Harris said she’d “proudly sign it into law” if congress passed a law protecting abortion, as you can see democrats are clearly fighting tooth and nail for women’s reproductive rights!
No literally it’s going to be “Not actively take away trans healthcare” so it’s a hostage situation.
I’ll be honest as a trans woman I’m pretty nervous for Republicans to take power, as a self interested person. Dems clearly won’t do anything to help though and if the supreme court makes some ruling they won’t fight it.
fwiw: it’ll be like living in the decades between reagan and bush (1980-2008) and this community still thrived enough to change popular sentiment about lgbt issues; despite the efforts of democrats like clinton & biden during that time.
i was most active during those decades and every win, no matter how small, was deeply re-affirming and helped a lot in keeping us going.
i hope that, in the future, the definition of an ally narrows to exclude anything who thinks that democrats are automatically allies so that they can’t keep trotting us out like to show horse to prove how progressive democrats think they are.
I’m sorry this is the world we live in comrade :(
I’m an outsider and frankly I don’t get the weird hostility to being critical of the dems.
Like if the election is so crucial isn’t now the time to hold them over the barrel to try change them? you can vote or not as you please and it’s all secret anyway so shouldn’t you threaten them with a loss unless they change policy? Even if secretly you do intend to vote for them should the threats fail as some sort of lesser of two evils?
I don’t get it at all. But then your politics always seemed a bit nuts to me anyway. Very high feelings over the person who will export war and misery over the whole world while crushing the working class, or the person who will export war and misery over the whole world while crushing the working class and also being more explicitly racist.
I’m not an American, but we’re all affected by internal US politics.
Indeed, hence why it would be nice if the people living there that apparently feel so strongly between very racist or racist warhawks did more to make their choices better.
I know it’s not easy, and I don’t mean to be flippant, but the lib insistence to always back the Democrats and never try to actually wield power is very frustrating.
