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    I remember in the 1990s when I was fairly young, and I was having a discussion with other people, and I kept saying the Republican Party was a fascist party, and I remember one of the people in the discussion taking me aside afterward and telling me that I couldn’t say that(not because it wasn’t true, but) because people would get offended.

    I remember after the September 11 attack, that they named the department for the country’s security “The Department of Homeland Security” and I had extreme concerns about their intentions by naming it that. I could see what they were moving toward, even back then.

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      not because it wasn’t true, but because people would get offended.

      I have a hypothesis that as society we’re too polite. We don’t tell people they’re being assholes because that’s uncomfortable, so they continue being assholes without appropriate social pressure.

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        My FiL intentionally takes advantage of this in people. His family try to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is just “unaware”, but I have been in situations where 1) I point out his imposition on other people to him, 2) he continues to engage in said behavior, 3) I subsequently call him out on it publicly, and 4) he calls me disloyal.

        Of course he’s an evangelical MAGA voter with misogynist leanings.

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        Hot take:

        This is why the French culture is the platonic ideal. The average French person is a feral chain smoking time bomb and any they have no time for bullshit. Cutting in line in England will earn you a lot of judgemental stares, same thing in France will get you yelled at or stabbed depending on how the weather is.

        The French government would love to be a lot fashier than it is, but it fears its citizens with good reason.

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      Our whole heritage is being a melting pot of every heritage mixed together. Blood nationalism makes ZERO sense whatsoever.

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        Melting pot? I wouldn’t call it that. More like a 70s jell-o salad: all the ingredients are visible, but separate. There’s alarmingly little miscegenation in the US. Go anywhere in Latin America and you can see true melting pots.

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    Yeah, chillingly similar to hitler’s ideas:

    The whole European continent appears to be destined by Divine Providence to be peopled by one nation, speaking one language, professing one general system of religious and political principles, and accustomed to one general tenor of social usages and customs.

    except whoops...

    just kidding, this is actually a direct quote by a US president responsible for the total genocide of native americans a.k.a. “manifest destiny”, which then inspired the nazis:

    The whole continent of North America appears to be destined by Divine Providence to be peopled by one nation, speaking one language, professing one general system of religious and political principles, and accustomed to one general tenor of social usages and customs

    John Quincy Adams [source]

    US elites have always been nazis, they just learned to hide it when nazism became unpopular after WW2. now the mask is coming off again

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    At my old job, there was some back and forth about some feature detail. The product lady messaged me and said “do you have a few minutes to talk about the final solution?”

    I was like, “uhh you mean the sorting filter on the projects page? Yes, so long as we don’t call it the final solution”

    I don’t know if she knows that phrase already has a history

    This lead me asking a bunch of coworkers if they knew. About half were familiar.

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      I can’t imagine forgetting that phrase from school over 2 decades ago. I get people not knowing lots of the details, but missing that, work will set you free… etc etc. That’s really bad.

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        Keep in mind English might not be someone’s first language. They might have learned the phrase in school in their language, or even the German original, but not whatever is the accepted English translation.

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        With the current media landscape I believe it’s malicious intent rather than stupidity.

        It’s simliar to how an old artist’s music being played on a pop station is a leading indicator that artist is going to put out a new album. The intended end users of the Nazi Germany phrases may not know/care what they’re saying, but the people seeding it into the media are literally just following the playbook for what worked last time.

        My bingo card has a spot on it for seeing unironic back-to-back commericials for gold sellers (who didn’t get the memo) and reminders that the US has nationalized all its gold (again).

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      Im a process chemist and we often actually form solutions at the end of a chemical process that are unfortunately deemed “final solutions”. There’s not really a way around it since it’s the most technically accurate way to describe what we’re dealing with

      Edit: and I always find it uncomfortable to say

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      Come on now. It was reasonable for someone to say the final solution in your scenario. It is totally reasonable to call out these things especially when it is purposefully being used like the OP. However, your scenario sounds like you are making a situation about something it isn’t at all.

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        I accept that she wasn’t referencing the historical meaning on purpose. She likely wasn’t a classic Nazi trying to dog whistle. However, not recognizing the phrase is concerning. Especially given the current rise of Nazi-compatible ideology in power.

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          If she didn’t mean it that way, I don’t see how it’s concerning. A lot of people display swastikas with no intention of referring to Nazis. The words “final” and “solution” aren’t owned by Nazi Germany into perpetuity.

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            Not sure if trolling, but: I feel like people show know relevant, recent, history.

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              Not knowing a specific phrase isn’t exactly unheard of. And a person using it to mean something else isn’t a Nazi.

              Not sure if you’re trolling or just a fucking idiot.

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                I didn’t say they were a Nazi. And I thought you might be trolling because " A lot of people display swastikas with no intention of referring to Nazis." sounds risible.

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      I feel really uncomfortable when a black service worker calls me “boss”.

      Idk why…I think there was a book that we listened to in like 7th grade that was narrated by LeVar Burton where there was a character that was, I think, a freed slave, and he was travelling with some young abolitionist white kid, and he’d always call the kid Boss, and it made the kid like really uncomfortable, and that must’ve rubbed off on me.

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      I was in a meeting planning a large corporate event. A chef was there discussing food options and how they were having trouble finding a kosher meal provider but they have a work around until they find a final solution. Me and one other person both looked up and made eye contact, but no one else reacted. I had to pull the chef aside and ask him not to use that phrase when speaking about kosher meals.

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    Keith Sonderling is the trump appointed Sec of Labor, who built his career as a vicious lawyer representing management in high profile labor disputes. He’s spent his time at the DOL dismantling protections for minorities and women.

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    This slogan is obviously Nazi talk. The Nazi phrase in its entirety however would translate as “One Empire. One People. One Leader”. “Homeland” is close enough but they apparently shied away from going all the way down to “one leader”.

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      they know who the leader is. it’s not the dipshit with the poorly-fitting suits. it’s heritage foundation.

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      I think “homeland” is even worse. Although “one leader” demands absolute obedience and is bad enough, “one homeland” clearly spells out anti-immigrant ideology.

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        Modern German Nazis also prefer to talk about homeland, I think Empire is not too catchy of a concept abymore even fir their target audience.

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    Remember who you are, American.

    You mean the sons and daughters of immigrants? People who invaded and stole land from the people who were already living here? People who murdered and slaughtered innocent women and children for two centuries in order to legitimize our ownership of said land?

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      People who invaded and stole land from the people who were already living here? People who murdered and slaughtered innocent women and children for two centuries in order to legitimize our ownership of said land?

      Hey not me, I’m first Gen. I would happily go back to where they came from if they didn’t make it so damn impossible to claim nationality. But they do because they don’t want us back. During the first trump term I went through the trouble of even contacting lawyers to see if it was possible but I don’t qualify.

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    Aren’t we all blocking US federal departments from our feeds as far right spam these days? No? Just me?

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      This is a pretty good response there:

      Can’t wait for the sequel! ‘Labor creates Liberty’ or ‘Work earns Freedom’ has that specific 1930s ‘retro’ energy that really matches the new vibe. History is so much fun when it repeats itself, right? 😉🇺🇸