A former Illinois deputy has been sentenced to 20 years for fatally shooting Sonya Massey, a Black woman who called 911 for help.
Sean Grayson, 31, was convicted in October of second-degree murder. Grayson, who is white, received the maximum possible sentence and has been in police custody since being charged in the killing.
Massey’s family members, who were sitting in the court, celebrated his sentence with a loud cheer: “Yes!” The judge admonished them.
Grayson apologized during the sentencing, saying he wished he could bring Massey back and spare her family the pain he caused.
“I made a lot of mistakes that night. There were points when I should’ve acted, and I didn’t. I froze,” he said. “I made terrible decisions that night. I’m sorry.”
Cops will go fucking nuts on someone merely because they don’t comply; their pea-brains simply cannot tolerate anyone who dares to question their authority.
Dude shouldn’t have even gone into the house, he refused to leave and deescalate, then murdered a woman instead of just walking out of the door of a place he didn’t even belong.
The problem is fear. In general, we don’t teach cops how to deal with complex situations. We don’t teach them how to deescalate potentially dangerous situations. We don’t teach them how to peacefully resolve conflicts. All they are taught now is Killology (AKA Warrior Training).
Grossman’s America is a terrifying place where police are both the primary targets of and defenders against superpredation. “Increasingly the police must face organized opponents armed with assault rifles and bombs,” Grossman says at the outset of the class, citing an “explosion in violent crime” and an “extraordinary rise in violence” in the streets of America.
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Grossman maintains that America is now scarier than ever—and that cops may well be the ones with the most to fear. “We know that if it were not for all the body armor, bulletproof vests worn by officers, law enforcement fatalities in the United States would easily be double or even triple what they are today,” Grossman asserts. “If this is not war, then you tell me what is.”
Cops out there now are terrified that they are constantly in the sights of one bad guy or another. They are in a state of constant terror that anyone might pull out a gun and murder them. People in that mindset cannot be trusted to be “peace” officers.
Grossman maintains that America is now scarier than ever—and that cops may well be the ones with the most to fear. “We know that if it were not for all the body armor, bulletproof vests worn by officers, law enforcement fatalities in the United States would easily be double or even triple what they are today,” Grossman asserts. “If this is not war, then you tell me what is.”
This man has a financial interest in keeping officers as scared as possible so their Chief can book training courses with this guy.
I wouldn’t take whatever he says as having any basis in reality.
You and I know that, but the cops he’s training eat that shit up and then wet their pants in terror when an acorn falls on their squad car .
One of the fucking greatest things I’ve ever seen.
Dude apparently thinks he has been shot, so of course, what makes sense to do is:
‘Combat roll’
(Utterly tactically useless given the angle from where he thought he was being shot from)
‘Suppressive fire toward a restrained person in custody in a police cruiser…’
(“I need to shoot my partner’s car!”)
‘… narrowly missing his partner cop…’
‘… and with flimsy ass shit tier residential townhomes as the back stop beyond the car.’
That guy needs to be sentenced to only be allowed to appear in public in a full on clown suit for 5 years.
Its actually a miracle he didn’t kill anyone.
Jesus I had forgotten about that one…
its the squirrels.
Is this the guy that teaches them when they murder someone it will be the best day of their lives?
The problem is cowardice.
There’s some of that, but I think it’s pride more than fear. Cops hate it when you don’t “respect their authority” or dare to assert your rights. They think they have the right to do whatever they want, no matter what the law says…
they are also recieving training on killing methods from the IDF.
It didn’t seem like at any point the woman was in a state of mind to calmly invite them in. It’s like they always make the choice that maximizes their chance of shooting someone.
I saw footage of a different encounter where a bunch of police were hanging out right at her backdoor even though she was clearly distressed and didn’t even think about giving her space. Pretty sure they also shot her through a screen door while she was still in her house.
The woman reported a prowler and they had already checked the outside of the house. I wonder if they actually needed to go inside the house in the first place.
I wouldn’t voluntarily allow cops into my house unless the situation required them to enter my house.
Agreed. I wouldn’t let one of them shitbags in my house if they were offering me a sack full of cash and a harem of consenting porn stars unless it was absolutely required by law. If I get burgled I’m just going down to give my statement so I can get a case for my insurance company because I know they ain’t gonna investigate it and by allowing them in the house my odds of dying increase greatly.
If I’m calling the police it’s gonna be because someone needs to die.
It’s not even about anyone daring to question the authority, it’s anyone who they decide in that very moment is a threat (based on no logic at all). There are so many videos of American cops demanding people to do things they clearly can’t do or just are impossible to do, like two different things that are exclusive to each other. And tons of other videos of people doing exactly what they’re told but no the cop(s) already decided that they’re a threat no matter what.
They go nuts on people who do comply. They give conflicting instructions and then punish you when you don’t comply. ICE will ask for your ID and then walk away with it and never give it back.
They are all human garbage fires and I can’t wait for Nuremberg 2.0.
or they think its a waste of time.
Thank fuck. It feels like everytime I read a story like this, the officer in question is just “reprimanded”, “placed under administrative leave” or “Not charged under due to immunity” or some shit.
I hope fuckers like these get what’s coming to them.
I feel like that’s 99% of cases and it’s really disheartening. Good to see them actually get what should have happened to all the others a long time ago.
It’s going to take time to overcome the “before body cam” era, but this ending brings some hope. And proof they are needed.
Chips are often put into adseg with the pædos and murderers of women. Funny how they still seem to find each other, even under completely foreseen consequences.
I’ve lived in IL my whole life. For half of that, the state was so corrupt that multiple governors were indicted for various crimes and ended up in jail. After Blagoyavich or whatever his name was, the pendulum swung hard back the other way. Today, after being a state employee for the last 15-years in addition to living here, I am glad we have accountability. I feel safe knowing my state and local cops can be held to account when things like this happen. It makes me, and them I’d like to think, feel safer in the community.
Nothing and no one is perfect, but Pritzker will probably go down as one of the better governors this state has had. And that’s saying something from a closeted anarchist who has despised this system for decades!
Cops have a stressful, often life-threatening job, no doubt. But so do a lot of people. My family has a history of working in psychiatric lock-ups with extremely violent mentally ill and developmentally abnormal patients, most of whom are being held because of murders and rapes they’ve committed (usually of their own families), and who would murder you if they had the chance/inclination to do so, because they simply don’t know any better. The nurses don’t carry firearms, they’re trained with a few restraining grappling technique and a lot of deescalation tactics. They don’t even have tasers. Put an armed cop in that situation and you’d have a ward full of corpses within a few days. Hell, put a regular prison guard in that situation and you’d have a similar outcome. But my family members aren’t MMA experts, and have never been [seriously] injured in their job. They’ve been properly trained, that’s all. Cops are trained like they’re being shipped off to 'Nam in 1969 to fight an unseen, non-uniformed enemy.
Dutch cops often walk around without guns.
Definitely a boys club and training issue in America.
The Netherlands doesn’t have more guns than people though. The US does.
Edit- this is not excusing cops shooting people, I am just saying that gunless cops makes more sense in a country where everyone isn’t armed to the teeth
Delivery drives have a more dangerous job than cops
I’d probably carry a gun as a delivery driver in some neighborhoods too
Ironically every corporation bars you from doing that because they would be liable. There are probably some small mom-and-pop places that advise drivers to carry. And of course plenty do despite the rules against it.
Switzerland has almost as many guns as people. But they are treated as a tool, no one really wants, not like a dick extension
And why is everyone so obsessed with guns in this same US of A? I wonder if one begets the other. People have been fearing the police in America for a looooooooonnnnnnng time. Also, see the post you replied to. Just because you’re in the shit, doesn’t mean you need all the guns and ammo on the planet to do your job. If it’s a serious violence threat, then send in the swat. Patrol should be using guns as an absolute last resort, not a first inclination. The mentality is skewed, but no surprise there given the rest of things going on down there.
That makes it more dangerous for the us cops but doesn’t excuse shooting people without guns.
This was interesting. Most of these jobs are dangerous because they increase your exposure to car accidents it looks like.
I had heard that most police officers deaths are from car accidents, but this says “violence by other people or animals”. Must be just their category name, not because animals are a significant danger. That category is shared with one other profession in the top 25 most dangerous, supervisor of mechanics at number 19. I guess bossing around people with a lot of potentially dangerous tools at hand goes bad fairly often.
Reddit comments mention that something like a third of policemen deaths in the USes are from car accidents.
P.S. And that the stats are inflated by listing cops that had heart attacks or whatever while on the clock.
“Often life threatening” is not likely to be true. Sometimes, yes. Often? No chance.
Fuck cops. No sympathy for traitors
What happens when restraining/de-escalation tactics don’t work and the unarmed civil servant gets raped and/or murdered?
A lot of people never see the inside of a psychiatric ward because their behavior is too dangerous for them to be brought in safely. If it was up to a nurse to apprehend them, some people will just take advantage of the opportunity.
Weak headline. Should read:
Cop gets 20 years for murdering woman who called 911 for help.
He’ll be out in no time. One quick X post calling on the racist POS in the Oval Office and he will be pardoned. I guarantee it.
It’s a state conviction.
And it’s IL where we throw mutha fuckin govs in prison for corruption.
No, sir, I think the problem was the part where you shouldn’t have acted, but did.
Ok, probably an unpopular opinion, but at the VERY least he felt remorse. Like he didn’t double down.
It shouldn’t be a lot to ask for, but unfortunately these days, it seems so. I agree.
These people are all liars, manipulators, rapists, abusers, and murderers. Part of the point of the trial is to find out if it was on purpose or not. And time and time again, magas always express sadness ONLY when punished, and then after, double down on it.
Not always. Some murderers are giddy after killing.
Devil’s advocate: If you saw the things that Hitler did and made others do, and then could be the one to kill him, I think there would be a significant portion of us who would get over human and living being empathy pretty quickly and then take quite a lot of deep, actual joy from ending him.
I realize what you’re saying, but it just made me wonder if maybe they aren’t so wrong after all. For the record, I’ve never killed another person, and have never seen another person die in real life, and all real people I’ve seen killed in video have been truly awful. Yet, I feel like I could take the life of somebody I decidedly thought were irredeemingly bad if needed, and not feel very much remorse. And yet, I don’t want to have to ever find out… But still, there’s that age old question: kill or be killed? And I may hesitate. My genetic family has made it this far, I’d like to believe it wasn’t full of blissful murderers, but we all know that that’s what we all were; it’s how we think about, and systemically settle our differences now and into the future that matters. Is reconditioning or even prison truly hubris? I can’t believe so. Humans are intelligent and capable of not only change but evolution, we now know that as fact. That I, alone believe in change, yet myself come from a long line of survivors in the age old question of kill or be killed, is evidence of the contrary. Even if the hubris is learned, proves that we are capable of change and hope for better.
Some murderers are gidddy after killing - I would argue that it doesn’t mean much. Even assuming they’re truly happy, it doesn’t define them as absolutely lost. Or maybe evolution states we purify the gene pool. What other things should we purify? Do you see the problem with that sort of fear? Maybe we should all be giddy with happiness to cleanse ourselves of perceived insanity. Or maybe the desire to do so is exactly how that murderer became that way to begin with.
I truly don’t understand what you’re saying here. Are you ok?
Are cops automatically MAGA in the US? I’m in Canada so I think it’s probably a bit different; the cops here are a mixed bag and some seem to genuinely care about the community. In the states are they really all MAGA? That’s horrifying.
I only live in one state, and don’t travel a lot. So I only really know my tiny pocket. But in my tiny pocket, it used to be a somewhat mixed bag, but that job really does attract the worst types and the best types, and the best types can be easily swayed by fear and groupthink. I tend to stay away from cops as much as I can, just because of personality differences, and they’re mostly all power-trippy types, it’s just the nature of the job, and the longer things go, the more that’s affirmed. And control is just had by changing whatever they perceive is the right thing to do.
I’m sure there are humble, normal people out there, but their low visibility through need to conform basically defines the trade alone; most cops really are, or will become, bastards.
Now, whether or not they’re really MAGA or not… You realize, the KKK was/is a community organization, right? Caring about the community is not the issue here, this is a long running cold war of philosophy and world view. And right now, the fascists are overwhelmingly in power, which makes both the loud and the quiet types very much emotionally empowered, and in essence, even louder.
Honestly, if we could just isolate them and put them in a pocket dimension time out for a few generations, they’d mostly kill themselves and each other. I’d be curious how they’d all evolve. Or maybe that’s where we all are right now. #sadface
Good point about the KKK. When I say “community” I mean every member of society, but obviously that’s not a universal agreement, and also probably not true in the purest sense anyway.
I appreciate the thoughtful reply.
I think I’m betting on us all being fixable through love.
I think that’s an honorable and worthy wager.
Imagine youre in an emergency, call the hotline that specifically exists to HELP people in emergencies as quickly as possible, 24/7, and they fucking kill you.
Gosh this is just depressing to read, no wonder people hate cops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sonya_Massey
Its not even this, it’s so much simpler. Mistakes happen, but so many of their “mistakes” are 100% avoidable and no one is ever accountable for their shitty actions. Thats the main reason I hate cops. They’re arrogant assholes that just like to abuse citizens, and even when faced with irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing, “they did nothing wrong” by their dept.
Fast food workers are held under higher moral standards than the fucking cops. ACAB.
18 year olds in Iraq were held at a higher standard than police in the US. This could’ve been avoided if white America recognized police brutality in black neighborhoods
They arrogantly call themselves highly trained, highly paid professionals but when faced with reality they often panick and just start shooting.
He should get life with no parole. It’s not like she can come back after 20 years.
20 years is a long fucking time. It’s enough. His life is still over
Couldn’t agree more. To serve and protect would have been to take the scalding, not their life. If you’re an officer the standard of conduct and consequence must be higher than for the citizen.
It says it’s the maximum. It’s better than failing to secure conviction on a higher charge.
I’m actually ok with this given what I’ve seen our penal system shit out afterwards.
He is going to lose all social skills, he will have no friends, he will not be hired by anyone and will be destitute in a matter of months living on the streets. Let him suffer more, “wHy ShOuLd wE pAy fOr HiS mEalS?!?11!”
This, imo, is exactly what a penalty system shouldn’t do
No disagreement from me. But we got what we got(which again, isn’t great) might as well let the bastards upholding it get a taste of their own medicine.
That’s just going to make it more likely that he commits further crimes when he is released.
That is fair.
I remember watching the video after it happened. Damn it takes a long time for this shit to go through the courts.
Yeah courts are slow, better to have a fair trial though. I remember this video too, I’m sure all she was doing was boiling some water in a pan before he shot her.
RIP Sonya Massey. 20 years isn’t really enough. But when it comes to police the bar is so low for them to get held accountable it is better than nothing.
I’m actually surprised, I read this story a while back and expected it like so many US injustices, particularly right now, and that the cop would get a paid vacation. I was deeply depressed.
I mean I still am, but I was back then too.
Either way, I hope he experiences in prison what cops who go to prison experience. 20 years isn’t enough to make someone feel the pain they’ve inflicted on others by taking a life for no reason, and he will likely get out early if he lives, but at least I know however long he’s in there will be either in sheer, constant terror, or utter isolation as he’s kept separate from the general population.
He will be out in 5-7.
House arrest for the last 3 years also.
Not only a law enforcement failure, but the US healthcare system proves once again it sucks complete shit. Sonya was suffering from a mental disorder and let me guess, her shitty health insurance, if she had any, did not allow her to be in an institute.
What institutes? Reagan did away with them so now they just go to prisons. If you’re lucky you get 1 to 2 weeks in a psych ward of a hospital, then therapy appointments (which you somehow have to arrange transport). If you’re really lucky, you can get a group home. If you are really wealthy, you can get a service to help you in your own home. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
What’s worse is that type of behavior is explicitly trained into these goons. This means there were people above Grayson that are probably looking at this as an assault on their way of life. They are not looking into the training they provide to see what could be done different.
It’s really weird that they capitalize “black” in these stories. I get that it’s relevant to mention because these things happen to black people a lot more often, but that doesn’t make it a proper noun. They didn’t capitalize “white”. It seems like pandering and it’s kind of gross and racist in its own way.
Someone said in a separate post, where the same question was brought up, that it’s because Black refers to a specific cultural group while white doesn’t (that’d be Irish-American or whatever)
You don’t have to always assume it’s malice.
Ah yes, the historic culture of “black” stretching from New Zealand to Africa and South Asia and South America. You know, all very monocultured.
The largest /s imaginable
Black people aren’t a monolith either though. They come from all over the world, just like white people. That explanation is offensive in a totally different way.
There’s even an entire Key and Peele skit about it.
Honestly I prefer people are identified by their tribes or families. It is more specific than using vague colours. I have never seen a white human being yet we have been programmed to all ourselves white. You mean white like salt? That’s what I mean when I say white. Use tribes or families to identify people. Much better than vague colours
Actually all monorities are a monolith, which is why you can refer to them using using the singular noun (‘The Jew’) and everybody will know you’re talking about all of them. Hitler wrote a entire book about this.
I get your sarcasm but I bet this post is going to get a ton of downvotes.
So that means everyone with a certain skin tone MUST be in the same specific cultural group?
It’s not malice but it is mistaken. “White” is used as a general term as well.
It’s almost a proper noun thing. It’s not a race thing. It’s a language thing.
In the same exact quote they don’t capitalize “white”. It sure looks like a pandering thing.
Hm! I didn’t notice that
Except that’s not a proper noun.
It’s not a proper noun though. I know we use the word “proper” and it sounds like “better” but grammatically it’s not, it’s just a category.
I tend to avoid stories like that because its obvious the author is trying to push in a racial divide amongst its readers.
I feel its relevant to mention the race of the victim because racism in law enforcement seems like a potential cause in a lot of these incidents. Statistically black people are much more likely to be the victim, we can’t fix that unless we acknowledge it. Mentioning the race of the cop, not so much. It’s more of systemic issue. Black cops seem to carry a lot of the same biases.
If you can read the story and still get the message without adding the race of those involved, then race is not a necessary addition.
See I don’t have a problem race being discussed if it has a direct role in the situation. The capitalization is weird though.
how much you want to bet he gets pardoned by the pedo cheeto before serving the lions share of that sentence?
Pedo cheeto cannot pardon state convictions. Thats up to the governor if we are following the law. But who knows.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but “donald trump cannot [xyz] because [abc]” is not a phrase that has meaning anymore in this country, as far as I’m concerned. It’s worth less than “liberty and justice for all”, and those words are cheap here, nowadays.
Literally how many times does this have to play out before people recognize the pattern? I have lost fucking count.
>talking heads on TV: “donald trump cannot do the thing because it would not be allowed”
>donald trump: does the thing anyways
>everyone: surprised pikachu.jpg
Not to mention, trying to think like Donald Trump, I can think of several actual tangible “advantages” trying to do exactly this would confer: 1. He could recruit the freshly pardoned racist murderer into his personal goon squad of racist murderers, ICE. 2. It would cause needless pain and suffering to the family of Massey, and the cruelty is the point. 3. It would invoke a media shitstorm on the left, while the right would paint it as “owning the libs” and “supporting our brave officers”, the usual horseshit. And finally, it would be further unlawfully expanding the power of the executive branch, something he has been doing literally all year.
If I’m wrong, I’d love to hear how.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but “donald trump cannot [xyz] because [abc]” is not a phrase that has meaning anymore in this country, as far as I’m concerned. . . . If I’m wrong, I’d love to hear how.
He can initiate whatever he wants, in this case issue a pardon for someone whose crimes are not federal, but his power does not lie in what he can or cannot initiate or claim, and it never has.
His power – which he is losing rapidly – has always rested in other people, in the belief and action of everyone underneath him who carry out his dictates. Belief that if x happens, y is likely to follow, belief that if they personally do not act then someone else can and must act. Especially when it comes to the law.
But now he’s done a very stupid thing and upended all that certainty upon which his power stood.
As you imply, he can initiate a pardon to anyone, anywhere, for anything. But when he does so without basis in law, and those who would carry it out see it as optional at best, ultimately it weakens him in ways he doesn’t even understand.
Like this. Colorado has ignored his pardon of Tina Peters and will likely ignore any others that have no basis in law, and any other state can follow. There is no requirement that any state honor a pardon based on powers that were never granted, making the whole thing optional – and showing others who might be inclined to honor it anyway that there’s no need.
This is the nature of real power. It’s not something he can change or alter.
He has already pardoned someone convicted at the state level, and is putting pressure on Colorado to release her. Even going as far as EOs to punish the state.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-pardon-tina-peters-colorado-43abc451b87ade3bd63b4b246f31edd4
Presidential pardons for state crimes don’t exist. Claiming he’s done it does nothing. Signing fancy formal papers saying so is null and void.
Don’t give in Colorado, and set a precedent. Hang tight, she’s a MAGA traitor who violated her responsibility, and she deserves her sentence.
He also just decertified bombadier aircraft from Canada in a tweet. Doesn’t work that way. Just because he says something incoherent doesn’t make it true.
I mean who would stop him?
true story, in non-shithole countries, leaders cannot randomly pardon people.
Which ones are these ‘non-shithole’ countries? I’m not an expert (either in law, or in shitholery) but as far as I’m aware these pardons exist in France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Canada, Australia, Poland, Morocco, Ireland… so I’d bet that places where ‘leaders cannot randomly pardon people’ are, in fact, the exception.
You misunderstand the use of the royal prerogative in countries like Australia. They aren’t for personal use by an individual to show favour to their friends and supporters. The process for their use is very different and there are considerable checks and balances on executive power. I can’t speak for the other countries on the list. It is literally true that “leaders cannot randomly pardon people” under our system. No Australian leader has that power. I am no constitutional scholar so I will refer you to Professer Anne Twomey who is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShMyCNrrQ-M
considerable checks and balances on executive power
Lol. The 'Muricans use to boast about theirs too. Not anymore, do they?
At the end of the day those are only words written in a piece of paper and can’t do anything if the gang of thieves (politicians) with a gang of thugs (forces) decide to wipe their asses with it.
As I said, I’m not an expert in law, but for what I’ve seen when someone tells me their country (or maybe not theirs but one they have idealized) is different, it ends up not being true. Usually it’s just luck they’re wealthy enough and shit hasn’t hit the fan yet.
yes I’m aware we are not the literal greatest country on earth (despite frequent claims to the contrary) and are in fact far from it, I’ve had many frequent reminders and am aware, vaguely, of how other countries do things better than we do. But by all means don’t miss the chance to remind the ones in the back who don’t know this, though I struggle to think of how many of those people would be on Lemmy.
Yeah, I have news for you. If the far right gets a hold of Canadian institutions as they have to your south, then your own royal prerogative of mercy can end up just as subject to misuse as it has become here.
I’m glad your democracy is holding. For now.
