• blarghly@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    Or just implement a carbon tax if you care about the climate.

    Or take away rich people’s money if you want to do that.

    But proposals like “ban private jets” are just playing a game of whackamole.

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      A carbon tax is really just a fee for pollution. The more money you have, the more you’re allowed to pollute. It needs to scale exponentially so that even Elon Musk would think twice about using a private jet.

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        All you do is turn it into a flat check that everyone gets once a year. The rich would literally subsidize everyone else. Most people would make money from the tax.

        Also, you add in a cap and trade market and eventually reduce the limit to zero. Credits can’t be generated unless you literally bury non-volatile, non-decomposing carbon 500 meters or more under ground.

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          It still needs to be way steeper than current carbon taxes are. Who wants to get a yearly check for $50 just to let billionaires destroy the planet? We’d all be better off if they were too scared to do it in the first place.

      • blarghly@lemmy.world
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        10 days ago

        I mean, what is your goal?

        If your goal is to stop climate change, you should tax carbon. Making it a progressive tax isn’t totally unreasonable… but it seems like an unnecessary complexity, since you are essentially crossing a sales tax with a wealth tax - so everyone would need to say how much wealth they owned every time they bought anything in order to figure out how much they would be taxed. Especially since the tax should increase each year to make carbon more and more expensive. Also, most carbon tax proposals take the fee-and-dividend model: all carbon is taxed equivalently, and then all citizens recieve an equal dividend from the money collected. So basically, every time Elon flies his jet somewhere, you get a free burrito.

        If your goal is to reduce wealth inequality/remove the power accumulation of billionaires from the world, then you should make some sort of wealth tax. And then once you took all Elon’s money away, he wouldnt be able to fly his jet anyway.

        I think these are both important problems. But that doesnt mean we need to solve them both at once, nor that they will both yield to the same solution.

    • MotoAsh@piefed.social
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      10 days ago

      Yea but private jets are a BIG mole to whack and would set an excellent precedent of putting humanity over rich shitstains.

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    Some commenters here are misunderstanding. This conference isn’t about the environment, it’s about the economy of the world. So the hypocrisy here is that attendees are spending a gross amount of money to get there, instead of spending that money on anything that helps people’s economic standing.

  • PearOfJudes@lemmy.ml
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    Some people see this which sucks and go “see clearly climate change isn’t real and even though I came to this conclusion because private jets are considered bad and hypocritical I actually don’t care about that either.” I know from experience.

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    if you really want to stop climate change, don’t ban private jets- instead, just get all the world’s largest companies to stop making things. that’s right, folks! it really is that simple :)

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        10 days ago

        Probably to slander the idea by associating it with such a terrible idea as, “stop producing anything!”.

        They’re trying to paint the idea as ridiculous instead of an obvious step.