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  • Hittite

    Their empire was already fragmented before the 12th century, their capital probably abandoned before it burned down at an unknown date some time in this approximate era.

    Mycenaea

    Mycenean Greece slowly diminished due to migration pressure, internal turmoil, probably climate change, etc but existed roughly until 1050 BCE (after the bronze age collapse).

    Assyria

    There was a period of decline during the 12th century BCE, but before 1100, a second period of prosperity, consolidation and expansion was ushered in, the Middle Assyrian Empire ended only in 912 BCE.

    Kassite Babylon

    I mean, the Kassite dynasty was the longest lasting in the Middle Babylonian Kingdom, but it was just one dynasty. Incidentally, the Assyrians were part of the reason the Kassites were deposed as rulers.

    Mitanni

    Wasn’t even a kingdom anymore but a province of the Middle Assyrian Empire during the period of the bronze age collapse, and before the Assyrians they were defeated by the Hittites

    Ugarit and other city states gone.

    There is a debate about how many destruction sites there actually were. Generally (for the whole supposed collapse) there were 148 sites with 153 destruction events attributed to the bronz age collapse described by archeologists and historians during the last 150 years or so. Modern historians and archeaologists like Jesse Millek however state that 94 of these are either not supported well by evidence, misdated or didn’t happen at all.


    Just to make this clear: I don’t say nothing happened during that time. Clearly, Ugarit was destroyed in 1185 BCE and a few trading hubs went down and Egypt surely struggled. I just reject the notion of “everything falling to pieces quasi-simultaniously, violently and suddenly”. Accounting for some misdates, some exaggerations and suddenly it is not a peak in catastrophic events but a slightly curved hill or something.
    The mysterious “Sea Peoples” were not a foreign invading force out of nowhere but a bunch of local groups (some of which are actually well attested, like the Lukka and Peleset while a few others have origins that are not documented).

    Speaking in modern terms, the name “Bronze Age Collapse” would be called pretty clickbaity.





  • I don’t see heated and impassioned debate about the morality, metaphysics, philosophy, spirituality, ethics etc as interpersonal conflict.

    If you have two characters with different morals, philosophies, world views etc, and they argue about that, yes, that is interpersonal conflict. Conflict between characters does not have to result in strife, insults, hatred or friendships breaking up.

    if you want character development in VOY, look to Kes (at least in her penultimate 2 episodes), 7of9, Tom Paris, B’Lana Torres, Harry Kim, and the Doctor.

    Wait, you think these characters had development and arcs? Those were mostly flatlines (besides the Doctor). If younreally think that’s character development, that’s all I need to know to conclude discussing storytelling and fiction with you is pointless lol. Bye.




  • You don’t do a lot to make me stop laughing.

    I haven’t watched Academy or care to do so. But thinking there was no interpersonal conflict between Starfleet personnel before or attribute it to being stationed in a borderland… DS9 started with interpersonal conflict between Sisko and Picard. The very appeal of DS9 was a commander/captain who defied Roddenberry’s principles. It doesn’t matter if that was explained with certain circumstances, it matters that that was part of why DS9 was good (being excellently written didn’t do damage either).

    I don’t recall TNG having nearly every line of dialogue be spitting foul mouthed adhominems in searing hateful tones, like SFA has.

    I didn’t state anything in that direction, and I couldn’t (since I haven’t watched Academy). I stated that TNG was best when interpersonal conflict was the vessel the writers conveyed the discussion of philosophies. Or just told interesting stories with.