I like that the US is in red. By definition it can’t invade itself, but it did bomb and try to coup itself as well as the other 3.
It also interfered in its own elections
The US has done demonstrably bad things, and WWII is not one of them
Sees a map of > 120 countries the US has attacked and murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians in
“Okay but 3 of those deserved it”
I obviously don’t know what Dessalines meant by his map, but you should read about all the shit US was doing in Europe in the last 50 years - e.g. Operation Gladio is the most famous one. That did include mass bombings done by US and trying to pin the blame on antifa or socialist or communist parties.
That’s 6 of the, I’m gonna guess around 100 countries in red
Where is there a claim otherwise here?
Given how many of these countries the US entered only during WWI or WWII, there’s certainly an implication
You are assigning morality to invading. This simply states that the US invaded these countries.
The reason why is pretty important.
Because of the implication.
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Damn that’s crazy. Anyway:
- In 1967, the CIA helped South Vietnamese agents identify and then murder alleged Viet Cong leaders operating in villages, in the Phoenix Program. By 1972, Phoenix operatives had executed between 26,000 and 41,000 suspected NLF operatives, informants and supporters.1
Wait, what does this have to do with the above comment?
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Instance whining from dronies isn’t allowed here. Go make other instances miserable with it.
What’s a dronie?
I think it’d be more like a 99.5% truth considering all but 3 or so of the countries the US invaded were almost as evil as itself. The nazis only aspired to acheive what the US succesfully carried out: the near total decimation of hundreds of indigenous peoples, and clearing of an entire continent to make room for white europeans. Manifest destiny succeeded, lebensraum failed thanks to the USSR.
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Because the criterion “bombing” is explicitly mentioned, Switzerland must also be colored red. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_incidents_in_Switzerland_in_World_War_II
I don’t want to portray Switzerland as a poor, innocent victim here. As already described in this commentary.
Also Hungary
Maybe unintentional things aren’t counted.
Not all of these were unintentional, as much as the official statements claim otherwise
At least the US knows to not mess with the Mongolian Empire.
Horse archer hordes ain’t nufn to fuckwit
Bellum Americanum
What’s the source for this?
I’d like to see what the criteria for each event is tbh.
And can we get one for the other “super powers” of the world?
You can see a list of US atrocities here.
Map shows Sweden in Red… as in they have been meddled with but your list shows the only mention of Sweden as:
In 1801, and again in 1815, the US aided Sweden in subjugating a series of coastal towns in North Africa, in the Barbary Wars. The stated reason was to crack down on pirates, but the wars destroyed the navies of Algeria, Tunisia, and Morocco, and secured European and US shipping routes for goods and slaves in North Africa.
So before 1900 and not in Sweden itself… Do you have another source that matches the map actually?
Could be referring to the assassination of Olaf Palme, the Swedish PM who stood against US foreign policy, siding with Cuba, Vietnam, against apartheid south africa, against pinochet, etc. He was a target of P2 / gladio, and its possible the CIA had a hand in his assassination. It remains an unsolved murder.
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12·3 months agoThe list is sourced. What’s the difference between posting a link to it or posting it as a comment?
cry abt it
Do one for the UK, or France, or Germany.
France and Germany would look a little smaller, I’d think. UK probably has a pretty big one, they still had most of their colonies back then. One for Russia would probably be fairly similar too, the Cold War was global after all.
I’d like to see one for Norway, but going back to include the viking age. That’d be kinda neat.
One for Russia would probably be fairly similar too, the Cold War was global after all.
Sorry, but that does not appear to be the case. The US has vastly more foreign interventions than the Soviet Union and the People’s Republic of China combined. Like an order of magnitude more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_China
Those seem to be lists of various violent interventions. The op specifies several non-military influences as well.
Good point, but I would expect that violent and non-violent interventions are roughly correlated, meaning that countries that start more violent interventions also start more non-violent interventions than others.
I would expect a country with a strong naval aspect focused on power projection to do more overseas military action, while a country with less focus on navy to use other means to accomplish their goals.
Unfortunately, I still don’t think that any other country in the world can come close to the US in terms of interventionism of any kind. Here’s another simple list that outlines both military and covert foreign interventions by the US (as of December 2005):
https://archive.globalpolicy.org/us-westward-expansion/26024-us-interventions.html
I think if we consider how many communist movements were being supported in the earlier parts of the 20th century, we more or less come up with “everywhere”. If you read the op, financial support is included, especially with “election interference” being such a hugely broad category.
My original comment was trying to subtly point out that these conditions were a little silly, rather than trying to downplay US interventionism. I think I did a poor job getting that across though. The conditions are so broad that the map likely underestimates us. So broad, that any modern-era superpower that has invested significant money in lobbying for their interests overseas should have more or less the entire map painted in their color under these conditions. Since the popularization of the internet, you could probably shorten the timeframe to just the last 10 years if you wanted, and the biggest powers would still have the whole map painted in their color.
I’m not downplaying US interventionism in the slightest. We are an extraordinarily violent people with a bloody history, just look at our mass media. We are, however, not alone in trying to press for our interests overseas. We’re just the best equipped to do it with bombs, which makes us stand out a little bit, as it probably should. This is due to our maritime projection and trade policy, though, not because other superpowers have had some policy of leaving others alone. The communist revolution was envisioned to be a global process, after all.
What about Europe??
Australia lmao? Gough Whitlam is likely, but not factually proven.
Its pretty much proven. There’s many books with the details, especially a section in William’s Operation Gladio book that talks about it.
Same with KRudd. Not proven, but seems likely.
I think that probably has something to do with Papua New Guinea or something…
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