anything negative about the CCP automatically gets discounted as “biased” or “not reliable”

Um I never said that, and the conversation is focused on Tiananmen Square. I will say though that most of the what happened during the Cultural Revolution, some decisions by Mao, and their invasion of Vietnam are some things I disagree with.

refuse to admit what might be reliable sources on my end

I already explained that I’ve been through the whole Western narrative and don’t believe in what the West/CIA/imperialists have to say anymore. But still I’m waiting for somebody to send their source instead of saying “lol” or “it’s reality bro.” You’re going too off track you should’ve just sent what you believe and sources to back it up in the beginning instead of trying to “trap” me.

passive voice

Innocent people were killed and it was a tradegy. Now if capitalists/reactionaries/ fascists/CIA agents were killed I’m not feeling bad for them.

Where did they issue…

So when you finally send something its just a short MSN article about China owning Rubio? Fuck Rubio lol do you actually believe what he says?

refused to identify any source that you accept as valid if I used it apart of my argument

Well that was a dumb question then, just post the source if you have one and we’ll go from there

seem sure of what I believe

Based on the sub, the post, my first comment, the content of your reply and your unironic use of tankie I assumed you have anti-PRC bias, but if I’m wrong I’m wrong

I think the end of the CJR article is a little shaky but its still good for the overall report of the events. There was no massacre of thousands of people in the square like it was first reported by the West. It was a legitimate protest that was taken over by foreign influence (CIA) and enflamed to the point where people began murdering unarmed PLA soldiers. I don’t agree with what some soldiers then did and its terrible that innocent people died. It’s something the PRC has expressed regret about and is working to move past it with it’s people. You won’t find that kind of self-reflection and accountability in the West.

I’ve answered your questions and provided multiple sources I find reliable in this thread. If you pointed to any of those then yeah I would be with you but honestly since you decide to believe the CIA propaganda nothing you could point to would change my mind, and I’d rather avoid mental regression. I used to think like you, said “China bad” and decried about tankies but once I started educating myself on socialism and AES states my worldview changed and realized we didn’t know shit about shit. What you believe is not substantiated by facts or evidence, its a compilation of lies from people who want to colonize China. Drop the (western) chauvinism and read something at least neutral on the PRC, doesn’t have to be related to this subject. I’m curious though if you have an Al Jazerra or other source waiting in the chamber that disproves what I’m saying I’d like to read it for old times sake - I’ll be waiting for what the next step is!

For bonus here’s some more sources with TONS of reliable information on the Tiananmen protests, including one from my favorite for all things China, the Qiao Collective:

• Tiananmen Protests Reading List

• The Myth of Tiananmen

• How psy-ops warriors fooled me about Tiananmen Square: a warning

Al Jazeera is hit or miss. Chomsky is trash.

Its funny how since there’s no substance to your worldview/arguments you go off on this weird tangent trying to insult me when we’re replying to eachother in about the same amount of time lmao

waste my time debating people who say dumb shit

Not saying the claims I believe is dumb shit since its backed by sources you refuse to read, but you should’ve responded to the part of my first comment where I was criticizing you, not what I had to say about Tian’anmen Square.

Not reading your propaganda

You sound like my ex friends who despite me showing them scientific evidence for why we should accept trans people they continue to be transphobic. People who resist knowledge are the most pathetic people to me.

Post it anyways

Hell yeah I did because its more proof that shows why you’re wrong.

You already outed yourself as a bigot so your opinion is invalid chud.

You’re still not saying anything of substance and nothing to make me realign with your worldview

Very public and very well known

Overwhelmingly the evidence points to there being no massacre and I’ve provided sources for it. Here’s another comment I made on this post providing more.

taking the time to read, no

Continue to be purposefully ignorant then idk

tankie

I want to let know this word means nothing and doesn’t have the effect you’re hoping for.

What sources, to you, are reliable?

Basically sources that don’t advance Western imperialism. The US has been trying to destabilize and overthrow the PRC government since it was founded so I don’t take any of their claims to heart. The interests of capital clearly have an agenda and spends millions of dollars to make us think a certain way - in this case to make us against China. I also got over my sinophobia so its easier to read things directly from China or things about the country.

This source goes in how Western media got it wrong at first and they had to walk it back, one directly from China, another from China, one about how the US fabricated the lie, and one from the UK just to show that there is some credible information coming from the West. Even the rest of the video of “Tank man” shows him go on top the tank, talk with a soldier, then gets off peacefully. Overwhelmingly the evidence shows there was no massacre.

This isn’t the only thing the US/West lies about either, they lie about virtually everything and things become clearer the more you read and break out of the propaganda wall.

Why would a fed post things that go against fed-programming 😭

And you have nothing. If you’d take the time to read what I posted in them are specific sources that do explain reality. I don’t blindly accept Western propaganda/talking points like I used to.

playing with live ammo

What are you talking about? lol

Also who is suffering because I don’t believe CIA claims?

I mean go ahead and remove/ban me if you want, I’ll take it as a badge of honor 😁

Simply reading prolewiki’s and autistici’s about pages will show that your claims are asinine. Nice sprinkle of ableism too bigot

It is horrible that people died, especially the soliders the CIA-backed protesters brutally killed. The CPC had to crackdown on the foreign influence that was trying to overthrow the government.

Sees someone post sources that challenge my manufactured worldview - must be a troll!

Nah I do this for the love of the game. And where are your reliable sources that prove what you say? Go ahead and check the CIA archives I’ll wait.

I love how in your last post here you claimed people were insulting you and being childish then you post this shit lmao. Davel and others on .ml have posted other things on the subject you just cherry-picked this to get internet points. Deeply unserious.

The Tian’anmen Square “massacre” narrative is a collection of lies and propaganda used by the CIA to get (mostly) westoids to hate the PRC. Anyone who continues to believe it does the state department’s work for free. Here’s another overview on the events that will help with deprogramming.

Anyone who agrees with this “meme” simply doesn’t know history lol

I would say travel to Cuba to learn these things for yourself, I feel it would be fruitful, but you’re too busy simping for imperialist nations.

being contronted

I realized you lack critical thinking, its like talking to MAGA with you

I’ve seen some other posts by you, you have good takes sometimes, but others like this Cuba post is a shitty take.

Wow I guess you know all your talking points. I should just listen to someone who posts on Lemmy all day instead of my actual lived experience in the country we’re talking about, the many lectures/talks, books, and news articles I’ve consumed on these topics. I don’t want to look deeper and I want to reply with dumb sarcastic comments when I’m presented with an opportunity to do critical thinking like you do. Every single little thing a communist country has ever done was abhorrent and the West did do bad things too but we’ll just ignore those and blame everything on said damn commie country. Better dead than red I’ll say. Don’t worry we’re still leftists though who believe we can reform the capitalist system. Now lets go be ineffective at improving the peoples material conditions!

Cuba literally rejected a US offer of COVID vaccines

The US vaccines couldn’t be stored in Cuba since they needed to be refrigerated and it wasn’t an offer without stipulations. Plus they were developing a more effective vaccine that could be stored in room temperature.

blockade’ that doesn’t actually block other countries from freely trading with Cuba

True-ish, but then those countries/companies can’t freely trade with the US, again who dominates the capitalist markets. It’s basically punishment for trading with Cuba. Some places don’t care, most do. There is also a block of anything made with 10%-25% US materials aren’t allowed in Cuba, which is a big fucking deal.

Cuban people repeated the government line

No one threatens these people to make them say what they say. They believe in the socialist revolution and love their country because they’ve established a class-consciousness surrounding it. Its easy to say “OH DUR GOVURBMENT LINEEEE” when you’re already biased against the system.

I suppose you must think we should support the Soviet Union as well

The Soviet Union collapsed and hasn’t existed since 1991 buddy.

Waoh, and the United Snakes of Amerikkka didn’t stop them with the Imperialist Blockade???

European tourism is big in Cuba and Obama did open up US travel to help (under the guise it wanted them to be more capitalist) but then Trump reversed and added more bans and sanctions. Currently the Trump admin is threatening citizens of other countries that if they travel to Cuba they could be banned from coming to the US for a period of time.

Fuck the embargo though, and fuck the racist GOP and the whinging descendants of Cuban exiles

But the things you’re saying are in line with the whinging cuban exiles and the racist GOP. You’re so lost. Instead of helping and supporting a socialist project like Cuba all you’re doing is spreading US lies, propaganda, and think any practice of communism is “red fascism.” I don’t understand the “comm?” All your talking points are anti-communist. Go read some Michael Parenti or something.