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I had a nice long response typed up, but I genuinely do not have the energy to pick through what a thoroughly ridiculous comment this is. You’re not actually here to have a meaningful conversation on this subject either, you are only here to propagandize for capitalists. So I’ll save myself the time and energy.

As opposed to the tenants just getting rid of the landlord, buying their own insurance, and covering costs collectively. Thereby entirely eliminating the landlord and they can keep their wages to themselves.

This comment unintentionally makes you sound very jaded lol do you not believe in true love? Wild

Sure, but half the income of your tenants that you steal from them every month supplies you with more than enough extra money to make such a thing a minor expenditure in the long run.

I do not live in the USA. Housing is a human right and should be free everywhere. It should not be a market. No one should have to pay anything for housing. You have been fed a lifetime of propaganda to make you believe this is fair. It is not. It is one of the major things that contributes to lifelong stress and shortens lifespans. It is one of the major things that keeps people in poverty, having to pay half their income in rent that they never get back.

Housing is a human right. We already have gigantic amounts of housing that sits empty, new building projects are not the priority.

The government should be in charge of constructing new housing developments to meet the needs of the community. People can also pool resources together to build those things, in the absence of rent and mortgages people would have substantially higher incomes. Over time this would balance out, but would still be doable in the long term.

No one should be homeless. Even if you are able bodied and refuse to work. The amount of people who are able bodied and refuse to work is microscopic. You have been misled by conservative propaganda to believe that welfare recipients are lazy. Welfare recipients are people who for one reason or another are unable to work. This is almost exclusively people with disabilities.

But yes, I think even if you decide to do literally nothing just cause you dont want to, you should still have shelter. Shelter is a human right; housing is a human right. It is a crime against humanity to deny people housing. And if youre that contrarian, to literally be like har har I wanna make a point about how dumb free housing is so ill do literally nothing, you probably have some problems you should sort through in therapy.

This comment illustrates very clearly that you are not a renter 😊 we do not have a choice! I cant just decide whether or not to own my own shelter. I am literally not given the choice. That is not how the system is designed. If youre disabled, youre screwed. If you cant afford a higher education, youre screwed. If you have debts, mental health issues, if youre a minority, youre absolutely screwed. You will rent for the rest of your life and it will almost entirely be spent paycheck to paycheck, certainly nowhere even close to daydreaming about owning any kind of home.

All the benefits youre ascribing to renting count for just owning the apartment or condo you live in. Bam. Done. Couldn’t give less of a fuck about grass. I can barely afford food! Think about how insane it is for you to complain about having to cut the grass when renters have to pick between fucking eating and having a place to sleep. Youre not a leftist, youre a bog standard liberal.

You are not a landlord if you are sharing your home, you would be a roommate. If you are charging them rent, then yes you are a landlord :) no should ever profit off of housing! Housing is a human right! No one should ever have to sleep in your home, everyone should be able to have their own shelter that belongs to them! This is an absolutely conceivable reality homelessness is entirely a manufactured byproduct of capitalism. We have millions of empty homes and wasted infrastructure that could be used to house people.

Why would you prefer a landlord to just you save that money yourself? Like at best its probably a third of your income if youre working class? At worst its probably 60% or more. If you’re on any kind of social assistance rent is probably almost all of your income. Hurray! No food for you mister, the poor landlord needs that pittance you receive.

You would have effectively 133%-180% of the income you do now. For me that’s an increase of over a thousand dollars a month. I could afford all the appliances and roof repairs in the world with that kind of money. I would still walk away with so much extra money its a joke. You have been entirely misled about how much rent takes out of your income. They will steal hundreds of thousands of dollars from you over your life time, maybe even more depending on what you pay.

Renting exists because renters cannot advocate for themselves. It exists because people who become land owners escape the renting class and pretty much immediately turn their backs on it. No longer their problem. Because propaganda has taught them to not have solidarity with their fellow workers. Homelessness is an entirely preventable issue and is inseparable from the problem of landlords.

Bugger off liberal swine. There’s other boots to be licked, hop to it.

This is completely ignorant of the fact that landlords can get insurance for those things and often dont have to pay anything at all. And when they do have to pay themselves, they will pay the minimum amount possible to maximize their profits often resulting in degrading housing that people living in suffer the consequences for.

Housing is a human right. Capitalism commits violence against the people by denying them shelter. It’s a crime against humanity. Landlords exist only to profit off of this system. By your own exact definition all homeowners are the same point of risk mitigation, and therefore all renters would also be the same point of risk mitigation. Landlords have inserted themselves as a middle man to steal the labor of the working class. They profit off of the venture. Thats the whole point of them doing it.

All rent is bad and all forms of landlords are evil. They are a separate class with legal mandate to steal the labor value of the working class. They serve no function whatsoever and it is entirely conceivable that an apartment building’s occupants could pool money together for repairs when that is necessary.

Shelter is a human right. Housing is a human right. Landlords are not mechanics, they are not repair men, they are not construction workers, they are not laborers. Some Landlords may do some of those things, but it doesn’t change the fact that by virtue of stealing from the working class they are still evil. If they want to do repair work, I should be able to simply pay them for the repair work they do. If they want to do property maintenance work, I should be able to simply pay them for the property maintenance. They have a legal document enabling them to steal half of my income every month for no reason. They do not live in my home, I live in my home. If I stopped living there it wouldn’t be my home anymore.

There are 0 downsides to entirely rejecting the housing market. Housing is a human right, it should be fairly distributed to everyone. I couldn’t give a fuck about real estate markets, they could all dissappear today and no one would ever profit off of housing again and not a single tear would be shed. I’d really like it if everyone could have a fucking home. All Landlords are evil. There are NO exceptions. If they collect rent for someone else’s home, they are evil.

Switch is a fusion of their handheld and home console lines and had an effective product run of over a decade going through multiple periods of greatly increased sales. Its not that surprising.

You said “I feel like China wouldn’t give out free food.” in the context of food banks. I made no claims about America. I made no claims about anything other than your statement “I feel like China wouldnt give out free food.” I was frustrated because you are making a feelings based statement about verifiable factual information that is accessible online.

You go to great lengths in this comment to say that China has had issues with citizens not having enough food, which makes sense, why else would they make food banks if no one needed the food???

I also stated exactly how recent these developments are in my previous comment. These are ongoing changes based on the literature I found and read on the subject. Nowhere in my comment did I suggest that no one in China is dealing with nutritional problems and nowhere did I suggest that China was doing everything in its power to solve those problems.

I only responded to your feelings based statement with verifiable information I was easily able to find online. You said something that suggested that there are no food relief programs in China, that suggestion was wrong. I clarified it for you when you refused to clarify it yourself. I am entirely uninterested in engaging with you on any other point here. Frankly a lot of your language betrays a very strong emotional bias in this discussion and I do not think you are interested in a legitimate discussion about food relief problems and existing programs in China.

As a side note it’s so typical for people in any discussion about China to just label random people propagandists. Yes for sure I’m a propagandist on a social media forum that sees less throughput than an average Facebook group. Tankies call me western interference and American liberals say I’m a paid propagandist. Imagine that there could be any nuance in discussing a nation comprising over a billion people, crazy I know right.

I don’t understand why it’s on everyone else to research baseless claims you are making, but sure, whatever lmao.

So to even answer the question you have to specify what exactly you mean by food bank. Providing food for people who are impoverished takes many different forms. From individual meal based facilities like soup kitchens, to dry and preserved goods providers, to international warehousing of emergency food relief supplies.

So assuming the question at hand is, does the government of China provide its citizens with any kind of nutritional assistance? Yes, they do. The available facilities vary by region, city, and even district levels. Most of the development of large organized food relief organizations has been relatively recent, with the first to adopt a “food bank” label starting in Shanghai in 2015. Between 2015 and 2023 the Oasis public food bank setup facilities across China formalized as a national network of food relief facilities.

At the same time the government of China has worked with public enterprises in China including restaurant chains and grocery stores to implement “Surplus food programs” to reduce food waste and redistribute food to relief programs and facilities.

This was all information I found on my own with pretty basic cursory searches in about 20 minutes. There is far more public information out there and I would encourage you to use free resources to research subjects yourself before making foundationless statements like that.

If you read the comment I just sent, I point out that I think I know what you mean but that the word you are using is not the correct word for that and in fact refers to something entirely different.

Meaning can be conveyed its just in this case you’re actually diluting a term used specifically to talk about an obfuscation tactic used by the Chinese government to interfere with political discourse on their social media platforms.

I genuinely did not know that, I had not checked what instance they were from.

You’re essentially saying theyre a paid disinformation disseminator? But thats not what wumao means. It also doesnt describe a phenomenon in western online spaces, but rather one on China’s social media networks. I’m not making a statement of agreement or disagreement with the idea that theyre a paid bad actor. I am calling out your usage of the term wumao.

This comment is so frustrating 😅 one of the only concrete statements you make about Chinese policy is “i cant imagine them handing out free food to anybody”. Literally political criticism based on vibes.

Is Lemmy a chinese social media platform? :o

Also, you’re using the term to describe someone who is not engaging in the behavior the term is meant to describe.