• boonhet@sopuli.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    26
    ·
    9 days ago

    I was just thinking. All it would really take to get rid of Flock in a jurisdiction is one (1) cop with good intentions.

    Get Flock records of at least one family member for each person on the council, or the councilfolks themselves, print it all and bring that to the council meeting in front of everyone.

    I don’t think such a cop exists though, especially in the US.

    • Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      8 days ago

      It’s difficult and at times dangerous going against the grain. It’s just easy to follow superiors and let this privacy nightmare happen.

  • rhythmisaprancer@quokk.au
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    27
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    9 days ago

    I don’t know if this reverse psychology will work on elected officials, but what a great speech! The council folks may not be won over, but I would think audience members will notice. Increased attention like this has worked where I live, the officials in charge decided to not add in additional surveillance. The “top cop,” however, used language that seemed to me indicate they would pursue this in the future.

  • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    17
    ·
    8 days ago

    So I had a speech class once in college where we were expected to give a persuasive speech with a visual aid. I chose to give a persuasive speech on online privacy rights and for the US to adopt a GDPR-like law, and my chosen visual aid was a dossier I drew up for every person in the class room (professor included) on their current and previous addresses, phone numbers, maiden names, schools, etc. that were all available to me online either directly through there name or through there spouse (the guy who was former military special ops and thus intentionally private online was surprised I found so much detail on him, but I was able to get it via his wife whose name I got from Facebook). It was incredibly effective.

    I propose we do the same thing for every city council member in the country where Flock has been allowed to invade our privacy. Buy their data from Flock and any other online source for that matter. Find all of their comings and goings, list dates and times, trips to dr appointments, places they shop and eat, where they live, where their kids go to school, who visits their home, where they travel, etc. For them and their immediate families. If they are uncomfortable with all of that information being publically available, then good! Don’t allow Flock to make it available! The fact that all of that information is being collected and tracked by anybody, let alone profit-driven corporations that will use that data and sell that data by any legal means to gain a buck (and plenty less than legal ways) should be uncomfortable, even scary.

  • im_fine_sandy@nord.pub
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    23
    arrow-down
    11
    ·
    9 days ago

    Of course it’s great that she’s taken the effort to take a stand for something she believes in, while most people are just moaning about it on line, but while the style of delivery is shareable it’s not really how one communicates with the public or with public officials.

    The only people who will think this is a “good speech” are the people who already believe what she does, when she’s really trying to reach everyone else.

    For that reason the snarky witty basis isn’t really helpful. She also needs to reduce her pace by about two thirds.

    • henchmannumber3@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      31
      ·
      9 days ago

      The fact that the council won’t likely be swayed by her alone isn’t her problem. Her wit and the virality can bring other pressure beyond her own delivery.

      And the pacing is likely attributable to the fact that public commentary is limited to a time constraint in these meetings. She had a lot to say and not a lot of time to say it in.

      • im_fine_sandy@nord.pub
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        9 days ago

        That’s true, there’s usually a time limit for statements from the public.

        However, when you’re making a statement your primary objective is for your points to be received by your audience. Talking faster does not support that objective.

        I don’t agree that witty snarky is the right way to get virality or traction, it’s too easy for the minds you’re trying to reach to disregard. Greta Thunberg demonstrated what a young female orator stating the obvious can achieve.

        • henchmannumber3@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          8 days ago

          I don’t agree that there’s only a single prescribed method that everyone should attempt to emulate. This method was incisive and memorable. It drove the point home very effectively. She brought real world examples instead of just hypothetical fears. Her sarcastic delivery implied that the council’s position was gleefully evil and comfortable with authoritarian abuses, which should give them pause and make them consider at least how they’re being perceived, much less what their actual motivations are. And she offered real world consequences by mentioning their reelection. Greta can do it her way. This woman should continue being herself.

        • HelloRoot@lemy.lol
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          8 days ago

          Greta Thunberg demonstrated what a young female orator stating the obvious can achieve.

          She achieved some virtue signaling responses that didn’t actually improve the issue from the side that was already pro and being called a sock puppet from the side that was con.

          What Greta has achieved in modern times with her actions, not with speeches, is way more powerful.

    • onlinepersona@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      9 days ago

      The speech wasn’t for the officials, it was for the voters, young ones specifically. That’s why she mentions re-election at the end.

      • im_fine_sandy@nord.pub
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        9 days ago

        Everything I said applies to voters just the same. This type of thing only speaks to the people who already agree. Anyone who is ambivalent isn’t going to be motivated by witty snarky whiny voice.

        • usernamefactory@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          8 days ago

          In my experience, this kind is speech is very effective for people who already agree with you in principle, but aren’t mad/motivated enough to take action on the issue. I agree is probably not the most effective at changing minds, but as a kind of rallying call it works.

          • im_fine_sandy@nord.pub
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            7
            ·
            8 days ago

            Well, I’m old enough to seem old to a 12 year old.

            This is how every generation communicates until they’re old enough to learn how to communicate.