• glorkon@lemmy.world
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    Anyone could have known as early as 2016. Just by checking the Wiki page on demagogues and having a look at the tactics section.

    Both Hitler and Trump check all of those boxes. These two have more in common than people want to admit.

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      He was reported to have kept a copy of hitler’s book on his nightstand for years, so yeah, there was that. He directly quoted mussolini and stalin at that. There was never any doubt he would try to become like them. It just so happened that the rot in our institutions, and opposition party, was so deep nothing stopped him, even though he’s an incompetent braggartty bore. Those are his better qualities. It’s depressing we lost our republic, it appears, to that asshole. The party will take over after he’s gone too they fully intend on fixing elections.

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        Well, having a book like “Mein Kampf” on your nightstand is not a good sign either, but him using all the methods of a demagogue should have been unmistakable and even more obvious.

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      Because they didn’t just stick to oppressing the citizens of their country, they invaded a country that had allies and they caused a war which they lost.

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      They were opposed by a coalition of other countries led by an emerging super power who cooked their asses in a world war ending in nukes.

      Oh. Oh no.

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      By Soviet sweat, blood and tears. The Soviet Union lost an unimaginable 25 million lives (with some regions like Belarus losing ONE IN THREE PEOPLE) in the struggle against Nazism. Say what you will about the Soviet Union but they are the liberators of Europe and they will have my eternal gratitude for it, especially as a Spaniard, since they were the only country in the Spanish Civil War to send weapons, tanks and planes to the antifascists. Forever will love the Soviet BT-5 tanks and the I-16 “moscas” in their labor of killing fascists in Spain!

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        And obviously you respect especially Belarus and Ukraine, because it was them that did the heavy lifting in that, as you already somewhat mentioned, right?

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          Obviously, my utmost respect to the brave workers and soldiers of all the ethnicities in the USSR that contributed to the slaughter of the Nazi monster, including not just Russians but Belarusians, Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Maris… Belarus and Ukraine took the worst part because they were occupied by the Nazis who had a policy of extermination of the Slavic peoples, it’s truly horrifying what the people of said republics had to endure.

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    It’s really not for so many reasons. But high speed mass communication changes everything. It’s really far worse. Soo many more people know what is happening and are choosing to be part of it.

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      Soo many more people know what is happening and are choosing to be part of it.

      This was true in Nazi Germany too.

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        The key word in the sentence is “more”. So no it can’t be true that in Nazi Germany more people knew than in Nazi Germany. 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2?

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      True, but the major powers all did forced ‘reparations’ from Germany. Paperclip involved the other Allied and colonial powers too.

      Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim

      The Allies were absolutely more favorable to surrendering Nazis, no question, but let’s not act like Paperclip was somehow unique or exceptional.

      It’s more salient, I think, that the Nazis concept of Lebenstraum was inspired by American Manifest Destiny, as did Jim Crow laws for the Third Reich’s legal implementation of genocidal policies.

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        True, but the major powers all did forced ‘reparations’ from Germany. Paperclip involved the other Allied and colonial powers too.

        Most countries and nations are shit. Name a single ruling politician from any first world country that oppose trump.

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        If you look at the denazification program the Soviets did in East Germany, and then look at the lack of such efforts by the Allies in West Germany, you get a better understanding of the different approach by each side to Nazis.

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          Exactly, Soviets wanted to wipe them out, while Allies took them in. Soviets are by far the real heroes.

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            Did you miss the part where operation paper clip was a race against the Soviets to take the most intellectual talent? They were giving the right people passes too. The ideological war was long over and the existential war around nukes was just getting going. Everyone wanted those scientists.

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              Yeah except the Soviets already were AHEAD in the science department, remember ??

              They were the ones that started the space-race. Oh & those “scientists” were Nazis.

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                The soviets developed nukes frighteningly fast. They developed very big nukes and then the ICBM if memory serves. They made some scary fucking Nukes

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    Interesting that German Nazis didn’t wear masks. Guess US Nazis are cowards? Or maybe we just need to give it more time until the impunity becomes systemic.

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      Nazi Germany didn’t have to deal with the slight issue of CCTV, doorbell cameras and every single person having in their pocket an Internet-linked camera with facial recognition capabilities

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        That only matters in the case of actual accountability. At this point, these fuckers won’t see justice unless they happen to be on the losing side of the civil war/war of independence, depending on who is writing the history books.

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      American racists are cowards, just like at the kkk.

      They know it’s bad what they are doing

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      many of the ICE are also race traitors; hispanics blacks, thier community will know the moment they are outed as an ICE pig.

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    The primary difference is access to the media being shown here, as in most of the 1930s footage was not nearly as widely available as it is in the video-in-your-pocket era

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    Was the Nazi salute not a big enough giveaway ??

    The only thing missing are the tatoos. oh wait… looks at Graham Platner plus others

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    The US have always been fascists to countless countries and their own minorities.
    Now they complain because they get a little taste at home.
    I really can’t have any sympathy for them, on the contrary.