In this video, I reveal why Microsoft ended Windows 10 support in October 2025? The answer is simple: they want to rob you of your digital sovereignty. They won’t be happy until each and every one …
Done, running mint now. Switch was easy, machine performance improved without that bullshit telemetry running.
Mint is pretty… Uhh… Mint.
Making that bootable USB was a pain. Needed a program to check the ISO. Download more files to check it against. Another program to mount it. Another program because the first doesn’t do Linux iso. MBR or GPT, didn’t even know about that.
Checkout ventoy. It can be used as a multiboot disk so you can try a bunch of distros or have backups of prior releases or even have testing/recovery images like clonezilla or memtest.
MBR is older and might be more compatible with older computers it wouldn’t cause any problems, GPT is newer and if your computer was built in the last 10 years you might as well use it.
Doesn’t matter anymore since I installed Mint, which btw formatted my drive to GPT afaik.
Like I said, it’s still useful for other tools and recovery.
Enjoy Linux.
I discovered Ventoy a couple of months back, and spent far too long trying to work out how to use it to carry portable installations of both Kubuntu and Windows. But nope, can’t be done (so far as I can tell). Which is a shame, but hey ho.
But yeah, for carrying around installers it’s absolutely bang on.
Sorry to hear you had issues using it that way but it’s totally possible and I have a windows 10 ISO on my Ventoy multiboot right now. Almost any ISO file should work in Ventoy assuming its a bootable ISO.
Maybe your issue was you didn’t use UEFI which windows might require?
As in you have a fully operational Windows installation that you can boot into, alongside another fully bootable OS?
Because that would be incredibly useful, but I was damned if could work it out.
I have a multiboot with many bootable ISOs.
Meaning if I want to boot into windows or Ubuntu installation media, I can. This can be used to recover an install or start a new install.
Most Linux install isos are live images that will let you use it like an ephemeral computer, but windows install isos don’t do that.
Hmm, I’ll have to dig back into it, figure out where I went wrong.
I mean, it’s not really fighting back. There’s nothing to win. You’re just ending a toxic relationship and getting your PC and digital wellbeing back to how things used to be.
Freedom, respect, privacy, money, … There’s lots to win. And it isn’t just going back to how things were: it’s going to places better than anywhere you’ve been.
KDE plasma has gotten really good with 6.5
I get why Microsoft wants everyone to be in one OS for code maintenance issues. The problem is that Microsoft has hit a wall in getting Windows to be a revenue generator and is including privacy breaking features like Copilot without a way to disable or not use it.
I think a lot of people wouldn’t be complaining about the upgrade if Windows 11 wasn’t dog shit.
If Windows 11 is their maintained code then we’re all fucked.
Copilot is safe, the thing seems to be unavailable 99% of the time.
I haven’t run Linux for probably 20 years until last week when I replaced my windows 10 with Tumbleweed. It’s definitely better than I remember for driver compatibility but it’s still not good enough for a general windows replacement.
Videos don’t play without hiccups, sometimes my keyboard and mouse don’t work when the PC wakes up and I needed to install Mint in distrobox to get some software working.
Also people have been trained to troubleshoot by clicking and Linux still mostly demands troubleshooting via the terminal and that’s a deal breaker for many people.
Funny thing is I’m so used to working in the CLI in Linux for work that I groan if I have to work through any gui like x windows.
Yeah I think that’s probably the most common attitude amongst people comfortable with Linux but it’s not helpful for the “just install Linux” movement.
Idk I think it can be.
I tell them not to be afraid of the terminal, but do be careful of sudo, and keep backups on a separate drive so worst case scenario you reinstall, it’s free. It’s not as scary as it seems, and if you put in a little effort (like literally just watch a few “linux terminal for beginners” or “bash for beginners” videos on youtube) it’ll soon become your preferred way to do a lot of shit very quickly, and at least if I’m wrong there you’ll be comfortable enough to fix your shit when you need to.
But do keep those backups, because it’s entirely likely you’ll at least fuck one install up beyond repair (or at least beyond repair you can do right now while noob and a reinstall is trivial.) And don’t bother with vim at first, use nano until you “need” to upgrade from nano (if ever).
I like to think that it’s more helpful then “trust me bro you’ll never need it” because it’s entirely likely that at some point they will, unless they just web browse. But it really isn’t that bad and they probably will love it when the fear subsides, happened to me, and to countless others before me.
why not use mint by default?
Because there’s no global list of what will and won’t work so no way to know if Mint will be overall better or worse and I am completely disinterested in distrohopping.
Opensuse tends to require more knowledge and manual setup for everything to work as expected, as an example, installing the Nvidia driver, common patent encumbered video codecs, and other commonly used software requires a third party repository to be installed first. Mint does not, it all just works out of the box.
Fedora works the same as suse in that regard and I’m gonna be honest it’s not a huge secret. If you search “what to do after installing fedora” there’s 300 listicles and “install nonfree repos” is like #3 after change hostname and update your system, and they just give you the commands/tutorial for all that. I imagine suse is much the same.
Though I do think Fedora now has an “install nonfree repos” checkbox on install, but it wasn’t like that until like ver 40.
It’s not a big issue for someone technically inclined, but we often lose sight of how much of a barrier things like that can be for a more average user, who is also completely new to Linux. It’s not going to leave a good taste in their mouth to have to figure this stuff out right off, compared to Windows where it just works. That’s not to mention the increased difficulty of installing the Nvidia driver in either Opensuse, Fedora, or even standard Debian. To someone who has never had to install a new repo or use the command-line, it’s likely going to feel daunting and a big step back compared to windows, even if to us it’s no big deal.
At the end of the day, Mint just doesn’t have those problems to solve, and doesn’t really have many practical downsides for most users, which makes it the ideal on boarding experience with the least friction, and thus the highest chance of a new user sticking with it.
Though I do think Fedora now has an “install nonfree repos” checkbox on install
Unfortunately that option only provides some non-free codecs, I still couldn’t play some video files when I tried it. I recall it took installing the VLC Flatpak (and ensure it’s not a Flatpak from the Fedora flatpaks repo, which bring their own problems), before I could finally play certain videos, but I already knew enough to even try that. A newbie probably wouldn’t know that the flatpak version would have its own codecs bundled in, and would have to do further research to figure out why a video isn’t playing even after enabling the non-free codec option in the install.
I really wouldn’t have described myself as technically inclined when googling “what to do after installing fedora” lol. I’m in the generation in between “never touched a computer because old” and “never touched a computer because iPhones,” so maybe that alone puts me above average, but within my age group I’m far from the best. I was also completely new to linux (android doesn’t count). I did however figure out how to copy/paste a few lines into the terminal and hit “enter” and “y” a few times though, windows also has copy/paste functionality so that transferred over.
Mint is cool too, though. I just ended up going with Fedora and then FedoraKDE, and the extra modicum of setup with walkthroughs was easy (because of the walkthroughs mainly, but my point is they’re very visible.)
Interesting you still had codec issues though, I’ve installed fedora a bunch of times over the years now and never once had that issue on regular vlc after running
sudo dnf install gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free gstreamer1-plugins-ugly-free gstreamer1-plugins-good gstreamer1-plugins-base && sudo dnf install gstreamer1-plugins-bad-nonfree gstreamer1-plugins-ugly-nonfree && sudo dnf install lame && sudo dnf install ffmpeg gstreamer1-plugins-libav && sudo dnf install libdvdcssAll of which I just copied and chained together from such a tutorial because of course I can’t remember all that (though I have a cleaner version in my “new system” script by now. I was just lazily providing an example instead of actually making it one pretty command, irl the newbie would simply run one after the other without the &&s anyway but you get what I mean). I’d be curious to know what still won’t run after all that, if you happen to know.
I would say being willing to troubleshoot, find adequate directions, implement them, and even figuring out how to chain those commands together, would make you fairly technically inclined. At the very least it would make you unusually open-minded about learning and trying new things (being here on lemmy further points to that).
Well there’s “spin up a live usb and do some testing before your baremetal install” which is a crucial step that many ignore. But due to the nature of not being a proprietary OS installed by manufacturers who test things, instead being mostly up to the community to make things work, you’ll likely always have to do a little set up, or just buy a system76 with linux preinstalled and it’ll be closer for those who just can’t be bothered to do things for themselves.
I’m not complaining about my experience, I’m saying I don’t think Linux is ready to be a replacement for many Windows users.
You clearly agree because you say “spin up a live USB and do some testing”.
Idk I don’t think windows users are as mentally handicapped as both we and those windows users themselves like to pretend, I think they’re just lazy.
Excluding like the elderly and stuff who barely know more than a pen and paper, and seemingly now children who have never used anything but an iphone, but like, average people? I’d expect they can “learn things,” yes. Tbh windows isn’t as “just works” as advertised either and they likely already have to learn something every now and again (though then again every fix for windows after 8 seems to boil down to “reinstall it loser” so maybe not.)
The culture of immediacy has been such a detriment on our society.
i haven’t actually used tumbleweed or fedora except for booting a liveusb, but based on this thread, it’s a lot more complicated than mint, mint is really just install and use. the most “complicated” part is finding the stuff i want from the software manager, and maybe tweaking things to your liking. oh and if you have an nvidia card, you have to select the driver version you want to use in the built in driver manager
Using Linux for 30 years already, for servers, notebooks, and desktops. For gaming I still have Windows 10 though. Testing gaming on Linux now, looks promising. MSFS with VR is still a challenge though.
Using Bazzite for the gaming machine and Ubuntu for my laptop. Last windows machine in the house goes away as soon as I get to rebuilding the wifes laptop. Recently discovered Tails for a no traceable footprint tor. Browser bootable os for privacy.
If you thought you ever had “digital sovereignty” while using a corpo OS…
Right but it’s the degree, my friend. Life works like that a lot.
Isn’t it, at least officially, to enforce TPM 2.0?
Sure, and if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you :P
Is it so trivially untrue? Could they just as easily have implemented TPM 2.0 in Win10 and just have stopped Win10 from working on devices without TPM 2.0 compatibility? Would that have been better?
There’s no reason to force tpm requirements other than to create tons and tons of ewaste and force people to upgrade their hardware to run their new even more bloated and invasive operating system.
Don’t believe this JUST HAD TO BE!
For sure it didn’t just have to be, completely agree. But I find it hard to understand that that could be the only reason.
Is there really no way to steelman the requirement?
I’m not well versed on the reasons, but I see that AI is mentioned frequently when TPM is brought up in Windows 11… probably because of that new rewind feature that’s pretty much surveillance baked into your pc, they probably need that to be ultra secure.
It seems like maybe they have done this because it’s maybe necessary, but only for features that no one wanted anyways.
There should be a choice and a warning if you don’t have TPM, along with disabling invasive “features” that could have it’s data stolen, otherwise they are signing off on what is probably thousands of tons of ewaste.
I believe there are ways to get around this requirement, but then you are running in an unsupported use case and I wouldn’t be surprised if they brick your OS randomly one day with an unrelated (or maybe related) patch.
Every cpu for over a decade has had surveillance built in.
Likely and I’m skeptical of their (amd/intels) management software running directly on our processors too, though unfortunately there is nothing we can do about that until we can use open source chips like RISC-V (which wont be any time soon).
Do you know if anyone has ever been able to verify the backdoor exists and is taking our info/spying for definite? Ie has seen a packet with suspicious origin/destination with data that wasn’t manually sent anywhere leaving their network?
tl;dr we can’t do anything about amd/intel management backends possibly spying, but we can do something about microsoft very opening spying on us (alternatives exist).
TPM’s entire point is basically to prevent you from using anything but windows on the computer. They want to make it so that you can’t change to e.g. linux or anything else, because they know they’re going to be bringing in unpopular changes that people want to swap from.
In it’s most basic form, it locks you out of modifying your computer how you want it to be, in favor of how microsoft or your OEM wants it to be.
They talk a lot about how it prevents attackers from changing deep, mystical boot level things so it sounds scary, but honestly I can’t even think of that last time that was a legitimate attack someone actually did, and frankly encryption at rest already solved that issue a long time ago.
At the end of the day, it’s a way to force you to buy a new computer, raising profits, buy a new version of windows, raising profits, and locking you into the ecosystem with your very system and data itself held hostage- again, for profits. Since you’re a captive audience, they can also start doing things for profits- like mining all your data to sell.
Interesting, thanks! How does TPM stop you from installing Linux? I haven’t had any issues with it.
So basically, TPM is a secure bit of hardware on the mobo, that allow it to do data encryption, software signing, integrity checks, etc. All that is fine, good even, and Linux fully supports TPM modules, because there’s a lot of good you can do with it, especially the fact that’s in a hardware encrypted key store. Those ‘secure enclaves’ are HUGE for security.
The problem is how windows controls it. Basically, TPM 2.0 can store a bunch of hash values of various parts of your system- bios, bootloader, kernel, etc. It can use this to ensure nothing has been tampered with. it can also enable ‘secure boot’ which is basically to ensure only signed, confirmed software is loaded as the bootloader. Finally, disk encryption can be run through TPM 2.0.
Again, none of these things are bad… if YOU control the TPM module. But on Windows, you don’t, windows or your OEM does. You don’t get to boot your system without their permission. You don’t get to unlock your hard drive without their permission. You don’t get to change OSs without their permission. And finally, you don’t even get to change hardware without their permission!
You can see how it’s a problem when your OEM or windows itself controls that kind of thing regarding your PC. For right now, these problems mainly seem to occur in enterprise or OEM pcs, not prebuilts or custom-builts… but Windows gets greedier by the day, and frankly so do OEMs.
The goal is to turn away from decades of computer innovation and lock down and control your computer worse than your phone is now. You can already see the effects- Windows has started calling installing your own software ‘sideloading,’ for example, and making scary noises about how installing anything from outside the windows store inherently dangerous.
tl;dr: Companies hate the idea of you actually owning your pc, and TPM 2.0 is just another thing they’re using for stripping that control away from you, bit by bit, in the name of ‘security.’
Damn… Can Windows really stop my BIOS from booting on a self built PC with TPM? How would my BIOS even know to not boot before Windows has started?
If windows takes over the TPM module? Yes, because they change the stuff the bios references to boot.
That said, if you self-built, you can probably keep it from taking over the TPM module (I think.)
Yes, but you can pay for support until 2026 or 27, I believe.
I guess if Linux is universally adopted then they’ll eventually become like Microsoft or Apple with respect to ownership and capitalization. Right now though, they are the Magnificent Seven.
that can’t happen in the current linux landscape
linux is not owned by any corp and there are so many maintainer groups to choose from there would be not foothold for corporations to take over
No. I agree. Not in it’s current linux landscape.
I wouldn’t think it’d ever be possible. Sure maybe there is a SLIGHT chance someone evil takes over linux (highly doubt, but this is an example), but linux is deeply rooted in open source, so someone will create a fork that outlives any evilness.
This already happens to a lot of popular open source projects. People don’t like who maintains it? They fork and continue building on their own terms.
Nah, windows runs all my games.
This said, I also run Linux exclusively for other things.
I guess everyone hates me for daring to run Windows though. I fucking hate Lemmy sometimes. You guys are such douchebags.
Honestly, these days linux runs 90%+ of windows games, often better than windows. The 10% that’s left have kernel level ‘anticheat’ that you probably don’t want anyway.
I actually run a bit of everything. Mac at work, freebsd for the servers, linux for my personal/gaming pc, windows 10 for the VR/guest pc (though I really should check how VR performance is in linux these days- I haven’t checked in like 8+ years, last time I tried there was a microstutter issue that made me nauseous af, and W10 is obv going away), graphene on the phone, another phone with KaiOS to fiddle with, etc etc.
Its okay to still use windows where it works best for you :) it’s definitely frustrating sometimes when people get so hung up on what they feel like is the solution that they’re assholes to others. Linux has been amazing for the 10 or so years I’ve been using it but not everyone wants or needs to switch right now and that’s okay.
Sorry your experience here has sucked sometimes. Wanting to see linux do well and knowing that it’s worked well for your own needs isn’t a good justification for being a dick.
What game does it run that Linux doesn’t? There are some but besides league I’ve been able to play everyone on them.
Why are you assuming insults and responding to a straw man? Weird…
Destiny is another. Actually I hear it runs fine Bungie just bans your account if you try to play on linux, “because fuck you that’s why.”
Also a bunch of online games with kernel level anticheat (which IMO good I don’t want kernel level anticheat on linux at all lmao.)
Linux has been known to run single player games better than windows though, so I guess it just depends on your style. Me? I have OpenMW on linux and a GBC on my shelf, that’s all I need.
Yeah, Lemmy is worse than Reddit sometimes.
My work software literally only runs on Windows. Better quit my job! Or “Dual boot!” for literally no reason. Windows is made out to be so much worse than it is, like it’s giving my family cancer.
Windows also gave me another year of updates for clicking a button, so now I can drag my feet on updating for another 12 months.
This dude is right. If you primarily use your computer for gaming, Linux is still not good enough. No amount of “hurr durr the anticheat should be reason enough not to play” is going to change that.
People will play what they want of what their friends are playing, and if to doesn’t work on Linux, regardless of whose fault that is, it makes Linux still not good enough for most gamers.
He’s also right that lemmy is full of douchebags.
