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Despite all the criticism against them that I agree with I still personally like then and click in their videos every now and then.

What I appreciate the most is the are constantly pushing Linux often even if they are misguided, and they have a large audience of rather normal people.

I do think they are positively contributing to linuxs growth, and helps normalize devices like the steam deck.

We need more casual stupid users for Linux to ever hit the year of the desktop.

If you continue a thread long enough to the point the context is filled it easily is persuaded.

Also its not something that can be fixed the issue just migrates to a new “jailbreak” or whatever it is you use to trick it. Maybe the tricks you used didn’t work but it doesnt mean it still can’t be tricked. Its just your old methods got patched out.

Its like a never ending battle against bots, or hackers in games. Once one method gets patched the otherside just gets better at it. Sure it gets better but it can never be fully safe. And even if it is ever at a standard that is at an acceptable amount of harm, you are still willfully ignoring how systematically and historically how this is just going to be abused by the people running it. The whole point of Ai is to skirt around all the work society had put into at least somewhat protected people from the abuse of corperations. If it didn’t promise that there would be no money invested into it, and I don’t see how you are so blind to it. Grok ai for example is allowed to generate csam, and claim that there is no genocide in Gaza. The only issue it will bring your attention to is the genocide of white farmers. Thats the future of how people will absorb information is through this DRM on the flow of it. This is 1000% legal because trump has made it illegal for the states to regulate Ai in any form, and that includes the generation of csam. These people are immune to laws, and are allowed to rape and pillage what is essentially the library of Alexandrina and lock the door behind them.

Its dangerous precedent and I think you are a harmful person to think that grok should be incharge of peoples therapy, when elon’s doge has dismantled more than half of the federal programs. The person who wants to spread misinformation, wants all your goverment data, and wants to remove healthcare so his ai can get more money is the person who will be telling you how to be happy. It will probably just tell you youre depressed because you arent on enough peptides or its because you took the covid vaccine.

And grok, chatgpt, it doesnt matter they are all the same thing, and there is no distinction between them. Its just different appeals to different demographics and the best one will rise to the top. They all have the same end goal and are all funded by the same people.

You can’t really do that without infustructure to support it. Israel recently got in the news for doing essentially this.

So its not immediately making it into training data, that takes a while and there’s numerous filters to try to prevent this from happening. You can still do it but you or me are not going to do that.

What we can kind of do is if enough people agree to make nonsensical posts on reddit for example the ai will pick it up as fact. It doesnt always work, you kind of have to pick a unique sentence or they will try to autocorrect you and say “oh did you mean this event?” But it has been done before and any llm that uses the internet to search for info easily gets tricked by this. This is what Israel was doing, but they have numerous ai news outlets that generate fake articles that all say the same thing, and bots similar sentiments on social media platforms.

Also the gaurd rails you are refering to are just seperate lesser llm that scans your chat before it passes it to the main model. But much like the main model you can trick the filter into bypassing whatever gaurdrails by just rewording your sentence or asking it to pretend its a game. You seem to be conflating this with intelligence or like the LLM is improving. Those guard rails will be tweaked when money is finally needed because money is always more important over saftey. And there are no laws to prevent them from doing otherwise only public backlash. The model itself isn’t safe.

I wish I knew what part of my response gave you that train of thought so I could have more context on what exactly you where explaining.

So from what I gathered is the longer a LLM interacts with people and gets things wrong the more often it has chances to learn misinformation, is the crux of your point? Your example you used slipknot and a llm getting confused with ship related information, and then that getting flagged as an appropriate response to the user and being further cemented into training data?

If you really want to go back it started with the encryption. If you want to go back even further it would of been the printing press.

But I think most of what you guys are refering to came from ww1/2 with encryption machines. The US essentially put back doors in them. The whole atomic bomb race enshrouded us in this weird military ranking secrecy which later led to the CIA/OSS. People like Robert Maxwell envisioned computer systems to monitor people and data bases. Also much of the work that the natzis where doing with weird medical science which got folded in too due to operation paper clip. Essentially we continued natzi style medical experiments on vagrants, Black’s, prostitutes, and the people who where mentally unstable.

Weird eugenics natzi paper clip scientists, and chemical scientists where like the Ai back then. We had eugenics programs where we would test “mind control” in public universities. Or do things like raise a baby with a monkey as if he was a monkey just to see what would happen. Many cults, serial killers, and rapists actually came from some of these “Mk ultra” experiments. Some of which even had CIA connections like the finders, Unabomber, or Charles manson. So in this evil science race to beat Russia we create thousands of dangerous drugs, and chemicals, and test them on unsuspecting people, all ran or sponsered by ex natzi eugencisists. Not to mention pretty much all the satanic panic cults where directly CIA/Mk ultra, as if they where testing the whole “sleeper cells” concept you heard a lot of back then on fictional TV.

Thats when you start getting the news cycle, with satanic panic, and the 24/7 Vietnam news cycle. From there it transitioned to the modern fox news style cycles we get today. And that got further expanded with inqtel investing in companies like Facebook to make manipulative news feeds, and companies who are making dark patterns and these slot machines esque mechanics that hijack your basic thinking. Its like a continuation of Robert Maxwells vision.

First off chatgpt has murdered kids in the double digits for merely trying to use it for therapy. So I am concerned for your own well being if you are already not well, and feel like you have to use something that is potentially even more harmful to your health.

What you are failing to understand though is these companies don’t have your interest in heart. So imagine if your therapists only metric for success was time you spent on the app. Engagement. Can you imagine how a paper clip maximizer has 0 incentive to actually help you, but instead keep you on their platform as long as possible, while telling you everything you want to hear not need to hear? At least a real therapist goes to jail when they kill someone, or are held responsible for crimes they commit. At least you can always ask for a different therapist if you don’t like the current one. At least a real person is getting paid, and they’re required by law to not sell your data to advertisers. An ai is literally telling Cambridge analytica the people who helped rig an election all your insecurities and this is completely legal.

What’s ironic about your statement is the fact you are doing the very thing that is going to ensure that you never get therapy. Right now there is a battle to let Ais absorb all the goverment data, and be incharge of “effiecency”. Why do you think elon Musk’s Dodge had to rifle through the goverment programs and shut them down? He made a big deal about needing to unify goverment data, and how its more efficient to let his ai have all the data. Well due to that we no longer have fully functioning federal services, and that money all went to elon musk. As another example Xbox’s Ai Division’s asha sharma was recently put in charge of united States welfare programs and they’re “efficiency”. Thats right after Asha sharma layed off half of Xbox, so you can only imagine what she is there for.

Now grok is apart of the back bone of the military. And more and more talks are happening about removing food stamps and social security all together, or stripping them down to be nonfunctional. We are talking about nationalizing Ai, which means giving it a national budget that’s 3x-5x the size of the military budget. To do that they need to introduce UBI which will be a miniscule check of maybe 400-600 USD a month and will be the first budget they lower when its time for budget cuts. And because everyone has this ubi they will remove all other social services which gave much more value overall.

So imagine having to live like you’re 70 years old on social security funding, still working at Walmart, but now you also have to pay for your food, and health care because there’s no saftey nets anymore. Oh and once you get comfy with your ai therapist, they change the model and it no longer works, or they have to start putting ads in it so everytime you tell it youre sad it just says a McDonalds mc flurry always cheers it up.

Its called innovation. Trump made it illegal for the states to regulate Ai in any shape or form. Elon musk is out there putting in the work and fighting against this Chinese communist propaganda that is trying to stop his beautiful all knowing ai from producing Csam with absolutely 0 saftey checks.

Even the first time elons grok was caught generation millions of csam images he didnt even remove it or try to stop it. He just made the images private, and when people complained he was being negligent to the point of it being criminal, he simply made it so only the united States/UK couldn’t generate csam, or you just had to pay for x ai.

Now musk is fighting for the rights of his csam generating machine and trying to ensure it can still produce csam. He is actively in legal trouble right now due to this, and he is fighting it on every single front, like a good ai bro does.

They really don’t care, many of these social media sites made their money off by using dark patterns to manipulate people, and produce csam to boost their user base. If they really cared about protecting the children many of the big faces of Ai you say today would of been in prison a long time ago.

Facebook had a threshold limit on how many reports an account would have to receive before they took action on human trafficking. What’s worse is that number was highly flexible and could be completely ignored if it had good engagement. So children getting trafficking could of been reported up to 17 times before an ai came in and said nope that post/ad is making us too much money better keep it up.

This is what Ai is made for.

Less people that have to use the natzis satellite internet.

The united States circumvents your rights to privacy by buying bulk data from data brokers. Those data brokers buy that data from any and every little app on google play store. Something as inocculus as a Bible app is selling your location and meta data to Israel where they sift through the data.

This also let’s them bypass and get more data on you than the goverment is allowed to collect on you personally. Because its a private buisness they can collect and sell everything. The fact that some of these companies operate in Israel gives them even more ability to abuse your rights. There’s a good reason why every major tech company employs someone from unit 8200 or is directly partnered with them.

Unless you run the hardware, and install your own software you are fucked. And even then your open source whatever probably has a backdoor on its dependency for a dependency in the dependency.

That fucking rules

Because we use those algorithms to destabilize goverments and steal the election domestically too.

We can’t just stop doing that.

Facebook started what two genocides now? Over threw a few goverments so we can instill our dictator there, and with the help of Cambridge analytica, helped steal the election.

Ai is the DRM for scraping data. Now that these giant ai companies have consumed and scrapped all the data on the internet they need to assure no one else can.

And they have influence to buy exclusive rights to these api calls.

Thats why we can’t have third party apps on reddit anymore.

Crazy how much is in and its still as inaccurate as a raspberry pi with tensor hardware.

Iirc training takes the most energy. They claim that models take very little energy to run but fail to mention that training the models needs to essentially happen forever to make the next best model, and then the next.

The only stopping point is when they create “god” “agi” which I think you have to even be more batshit crazy to believe will ever happen. I at least understand why desperate billionairs dillute themselves into thinking this death cult will some how work out. Its a death cult it either works out or they all go down with it. To even consider if they where wrong would be to stare into the abyss.

I swear they marketed it in a way where previous technologies before LLMS get lumped in with everything else, just so they can say “well what about this life saving technology that runs at 7 watts on a raspberry pi” as if its the same thing. Its fusterating because in so many ways it derails a point because many people don’t know enough to make a distinction. That and all the easy accessable local LLM’s/ai diffusions are pretty much just heavily distilled/quantized versions of the main model, or just porn that still chug power. People aren’t buying an obscure compute puck, building a server, or buying tensor hardware where you actually have to use Python or touch a terminal.

I have struggled with a way to address this issue and the easiest way is to broadly just say fuck all ai and not make the distinction. The people who do use local models are maybe less than a single percentage of people who use ai. I don’t think its nessisary to address it, and I think for most people everything you just typed is going to go in one ear and out the other. Even if you explain it to a random person on the street, I’m likely to believe they will still walk away thinking chatgpt is the just the natural evolution of the apple kicking camera, or algorithms that self tune a guitar.

Ubuntu touch has a widr selection of devices that are 90% completed and at the bareminimum do what you want.

You don’t even need a shitty slow phone. Some of the oneplus phones work and they run on a snapdragon 845-865 which are the golden standard when it comes to emulation and other harder processes. I think the 845’s source code got leaked too so often projects will only work for that chip.

I keep hoping if I say it enough I can will it into existence but I really think that thr steam frame is going to usher in a community made phone/tablet that runs on arch and uses fex just like the steam frame does.

So many community projects poped up on github when the steam deck was released, and people been using proton in third party apps. Hell other distros have their own “steam deck” mode that just boots into big picture mode. I truely think that fex, and the work valve is putting into(or funding) arm64, is going to be more valuable than the steam frame itself. Gamehub app is already using the work valve put in with fex, and arm translation layers you can play red dead on a modern mid range pocco phone at 720p fps. And that’s the exe PC version not the Netflix apk.

So I tried sailfish os on a volla s23 or 22 I don’t remember the name. and I was kind of underwhelmed by it. I didn’t spend much time there, the community port didn’t support the proprietary software I would of had to use waydroid which I felt like defeated the point. So I am not sure I gave it enough time or a proper chance.

To me sailfish os felt much more like a solid phone experience, but with Ubuntu touch felt much more framiliar, and felt more versatile because of that. Though the experience with Ubuntu touch felt much more like a computer with a horrible gnome interface that is not intuitive, and you never get used to it.

I hear people say a lot of good things about sailfish and I wish I knew what I was looking for, because I was underwhealmed and I really really want a solid Linux phone. Graphene os is cool but in the long run I feel its best to remove ourselves from android, and also a Linux phone is already the perfect cyberdeck so its just cool.

I mean even games without anti-cheat are attack vectors. Some 18 year old kid is going to prison because his game stole crypto.

Also that’s pretty much what I was explaining, I just assumed everyone already knows what I’m talking about. I wouldnt say its misinformation, just lazy short hand and me expecting the audience here to be caught up enough to know what I mean.